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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 1910 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 05:36 am: |
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http://www.gaelport.com/index.php?page=clippings&id=520 Níl Gaeilge riachtanach chun bheith éarcaithe mar Gharda níos mó. Ach, beidh gaeilge á theagasc sa Teampall Mór. Tá seans ann dul chun chinn a dhéanamh anseo. Chuala Éamonn Ó Cuív ar Adhmhaidin inné. 1) Beidh ról ag Roinn na Gaeltachta i leagan síos cáighdeán gaeilge do Garda cailithe. 2) Beidh buíon speisialta le árd chumas Gaeilge le freastal ar an nGaeltacht. Cur i gcéill a bhí sa chaighdeán iontrála go dtí seo - C sa bhonnléibhéal (foundation level). http://www.gaelport.com/index.php?page=news&article_id=564 quote:Fáiltímid freisin roimh an gcinneadh go mbeidh ar gach earcach cúrsa Gaeilge a ghlacadh le linn dóibh a bheith faoi oiliúint. Is gá áfach gur cúrsa teanga le haitheantas idirnáisiúnta a bheadh i gceist agus go mbeadh caighdeán ard le baint amach ag deireadh an chúrsa. Tá seo riachtanach má tá An Garda Síochána chun a ndualgais faoi Acht na dTeangacha Oifigiúla a chomhlíonadh. Aontaím leis sin. |
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Robert Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 11:17 am: |
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What rubbish -guards that cannot communicate with the public... "Mr McDowell said recruits who do not have a qualification in Irish will undertake basic training in the language in Templemore as part of their training. Details of this would be finalised in conjunction with Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, Éamon Ó Cuív." So Eamonn Oh Queev gets to oversee some more beurokratik gubbins of no relation to his job title. "He said a recruitment campaign would begin at the end of the month as part of plans to increase the size of the force to 14,000." In other words 14000 guards to ensure the middle classes feel safe that 'something' is been done, while crime is entirely ignored "The Garda Representative Association has also welcomed the move to ensure the force reflects an increasingly diverse society." We ahve had Travellers and Gael as minorities since 1922. How come more 'rights', like some sort of resource, have been doled out to new Irish these last few years, than ever were to the old minorities? Is it to bring them on-side? Or do the high moral guardians of D4 find patronising 'world-culture' rubbish in vogue this season? |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 1915 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 12:34 pm: |
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Níl sé ar chumas fórmhór na Gardaí gaeilge a labhairt ainneoin an coinníol éarcaíochta a bheith ann anois. Agus tá freagracht i leith polasaí Gaeilge ag Éamon Ó Cuív, agus an-obair déanta aige. Agus sheas an GRA leis an riachtanas go mbeadh gaeilge ag Gardaí. |
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Robert Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 06:14 pm: |
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Aonghus, I am not dissin' him (ÉÓC). I know he is most enthusiastic given the constraints and greyness of been in an Anglo country not at peace with its (near) Gaelic past, which the gov only mirrors. It was my point he was not his responsible for the language training of new An Gistiapó Síochána branded 'low fat rashers' (trainee guards) coming out of the factory (Templemore) |
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Drochfhuaimniú
Member Username: Drochfhuaimniú
Post Number: 34 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 09:32 am: |
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I think it's better this way, that all sorts of Gardaí can be allowed in and then are taught a standard of Irish. Why is that bad? Sean-mhian an tsiubhail ag preabadh..
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 1918 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 12:47 pm: |
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Tá sé iontach. Tá rud ciallmhar á chuir in áit cuir i gcéill agus siombalachas. |
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Domhnall
Member Username: Domhnall
Post Number: 126 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 04:49 pm: |
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The country is becoming more culturally diversified. A minor level of Irish is needed - for say writing 'Pádraig Mac Domhnaill' and stuff like that. I would have said that the newcomers should learn the culture *hence language* of the country they are living in. But it's gona be taught to them so maybe it's not all bad. An Garda Síochana are the only force in europe who don't need their country's language for entry. Náire. One question, though - I have friends studying law and they dont even know the answer maybe someone here can help ; If a Garda tries to arrest you and you say 'As Gaeilge led thoil' and the garda can't respond i nGaeilge are you allowed get away scott-free? Rinne an t-Aire na Gaeltachta sár obair ar son na teanga. Ní leor é afach. As they'd say themselves ; A lot done more to do. I almost sound as if i'd vote FF **says a member of the opposition!** Ní Síocháin Go Saoirse. Is í slánú na Gaeilge athghabháil na Saoirse
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 1932 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 04:56 pm: |
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Cuireadh cásanna cúirte ar ceal de bharr easpa paipéareachas i nGaeilge roimhe seo. Ach ní dóigh liom go scaoilfí saor ar an dtoirt thú. Bhraithfidh sé ar an gcoir. Agus múinfear Gaeilge sa Teampall Mór ní hamháin do na heachtrannaigh, ach do na hÉireannaigh. |
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Domhnall
Member Username: Domhnall
Post Number: 127 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 05:16 pm: |
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"Agus múinfear Gaeilge sa Teampall Mór ní hamháin do na heachtrannaigh, ach do na hÉireannaigh." Mar is ceart, cóir agus cothrom! Phlé mé an cheist seo le duine de mo chairde atá ag stáidéar Dlí agus Gaeilge. Dúradh liom nach bhfuil ar éinne glacadh le Béarla agus mar gheall ar sin cheap sé go scaoilfí saor thú.. Aon eolais ag aon duine eile? Ní Síocháin Go Saoirse. Is í slánú na Gaeilge athghabháil na Saoirse
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 1982 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 04:16 am: |
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Fearn Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 11:35 am: |
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B'fhéidir gur fiú do gach duine le Gaeilge coir a dhéanamh ar mhaithe leis an Ghaeilge, é féin a thabhairt suas do Gharda trí Gaeilge agus dul tríd an próis ar fad. Máirtírigh Nua ar son na cúise? |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 1999 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 08:54 am: |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 2003 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 12:21 pm: |
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Ceann eile fós http://www.gaelport.com/index.php?page=clippings&id=563 quote:It could also encourage immigrants to send their children to Irish-speaking schools, thereby furthering the growth of the language. At a time when more and more languages are dying out, we must do everything in our power to support the resurgence of Irish in the community. |
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Mickrua
Member Username: Mickrua
Post Number: 8 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 01:07 pm: |
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Scenario Being Witness to a Crime:IF I demand as an Irish citizen to deal with the Gárdaí i mo theanga dúchais agus ní úsáideoidh mé Béarla ar bith leis an ngárda/ banghárda how the hell can the Civil servants of the people (Gárdaí) take statements and ensure the details go to the prosecution service in order to carry out the duty of the STATE!.The duty of the Civil service is to protect and serve the people because we the people put them there to be our servants not US to be THEIRS!. Most gárdaí don't won't deal with the public in the Official language of the Country.Go bhfóire Dia ar Ó Cuiv bocht agus BLUE SHIRT MAC DUBHGHAILL ach tá siad ag cur madraí tríd fhuinneoga (BLUFFING ) leis an tseafóid uilig atá ar bun ag an mbeirt acu. |
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Antaine
Member Username: Antaine
Post Number: 519 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 01:48 pm: |
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playing devil's advocate, the counter argument is going to be that even in the gaeltacht your likelihood of finding an irish speaker who is not fluent in english is less than your chance of having a witness from korea or eastern europe unable to adequately file their statement in english. basically, (and this was the case when I was just there), most seem to feel that use of irish is a preference, not a necessity - in any field or for any reason. see...that needs to change...if everyone who is fluent in irish refused to deal with the civil service in any other language it would increase the sense that it really is a requirement for the civil service. i find the situation maddening. the more i study it the more i feel that irish has a future, but as a second language to committed learners in ireland and the us - a group whose numbers outnumber the current fluent speakers in the gaeltacht, and as they raise their own children the language will again become a first language, this time centered in urban areas. |
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Domhnall
Member Username: Domhnall
Post Number: 145 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 05:37 pm: |
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A Mhickrua, You can't use the word "Beangharda" anymore.. Where's all those feminist Gaeilgeoirí out there?! If its such a bad thing (which i agree it is) what's needed is actions not words.. Do something about it - complain to An t-Aire na Gaeltachta, Dlí agus éinne eile gur mhaith leat. Ní Síocháin Go Saoirse. Is í slánú na Gaeilge athghabháil na Saoirse
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