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Djwebb2002
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Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 08:36 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Hello. Does anyone know if it possible to get hold of the LPs that accompanied Myles Dillon's Teach Yourself Irish? Are there any in second-hand bookshops? I have looked everywhere. Would anyone on this list sell the LPs?

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Aindréas
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Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Have you started using the book yet? I bought Teach Yourself Irish along with its two CDs very recently, and it is really quite horrible for any mildy serious student. The reviews on Amazon are also horrible (something I shoul have read before purchasing). One of the reviewers is a fluent Irish speaker who lived in a Gaeltacht, and he gave the book the lowest rating possible.

So I would really not reccomend this book if you're serious about getting a firm comprehension of Irish. That could very well be my odd opinion though. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the book if you get into it.

Coimhéad fearg fhear na foighde.

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Djwebb2002
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Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I have read several chapters of the book. It is not the new Teach Yourself Irish with CDs that I am referring to, but its predecessor, the old TEach yourself Irish by Myles Dillon that came out in the 1960s and was a traditional grammar-based approach. It supposedly had LPs, but I have looked everywhere for them. I have ancestors from Munster and Ulster (but none as far as I can tell from Connacht) and so would like to have a good course with audio accompaniment in Munster Irish. The review of TYI by as Gaeltacht resident was a review of the new TYI. I don't know why these publishing companies see the need to update everything all the time. The consensus is that the old TYI was better...

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Robert
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Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 06:32 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

"Does anyone know if it possible to get hold of LPs..."

Yes, here: http://www.museum.ie/archaeology/

I believe they recently unearthed copper disc LPs. On one you can hear a recording of St Patrick first sermon...

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Djwebb2002
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Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

That is not a very helpful reply, Robert. Many people are looking for the recordings that go with the Myles Dillon TYI book.

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Jonas
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Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 04:51 am:   Edit Post Print Post

You're both right. The old version of Teach Yourself Irish by Myles Dillon is absolutely brilliant! I have both the book and the recordings and can really recommen them. The new Teach Yourself Irish by Diarmuid Ó Sé isn't good at all. No blame on Ó Sé, cause it's a general phenomenon. There were many brilliant Teach Yourself courses first published in the 60s and 70s and reprinted in the 80s. During the 90s and the past years, all the old versions have been replaced by new ones. In every case are is the new version just a shadow of the old one, containing much less of everything. A quite weird publishing policy to constantly lower the level of one's books...

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Djwebb2002
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Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 07:48 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Jonas, I have emailed Routledge several times about their forthcoming new version of Colloquial Irish. It will be in Connacht dialect. I will be interested to see how it compares to "Learning Irish". By the way, apart from my Irish and English ancestors, I am also of Finnish descent. My ancestry does not stretch as far as Jakobstad though - mainly Vasa/Korsholm, Ilmajoki, Satakunta. I have a huge amount of information on the genealogy of those places.

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G_matthew_webb
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Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Can anyone answer DJ Webb's original question? I bought the Myles Dillon version of Teach Yourself Irish based on Jonas' recommendation and would also like to get the sound recordings. In fact, I have posted this question before on this board. Someone replied that they had a tape recording but no way to dupe the cassette tape. Later in another similar thread, I believe Jonas said he had mp3 recordings or something similar. Can't we get the recordings onto a CD?

Matthew Webb
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
USA

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Jonas
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Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 02:50 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Really, you have relatives in those places? Do you speak any Finnish or Swedish?

I've also mailed Routledge on a number of occasions about Colloquial Irish. First time in 1999 :-) At times they have said that they are soon going to publish it. Last time I heard anything about it, it was going to be in the Ulster dialect. That would have made more sense, because there's no way it can compete with Learning Irish. Routledge published some really good courses in the 90s, but not even they could compete with Learning Irish. Unfortunately, many of the recent Routledge publications are not as good. Hope they will return to more extensive courses soon.

It's true that I have mp3 recordings of the course. Depending on copy-right issues I could provide Daltaí with the recordings if it is in accordance with the law.

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Djwebb2002
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Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Jonas, yes I have relatives in Finland. The nearest are my father's cousins. But in my genealogy file I have details of 17000 Finnish relatives. I speak only basic Swedish - the first 10 chapters of Colloquial Swedish - and basic Finnish - the first 15 chapters of Finnish for Foreigners; I plan to learn those languages properly one day, but I can't do everything at once. It is a terrible shame that Irish genealogy is so disappointing owing to the destruction of the records. Jonas have you got any Irish ancestry? You know a lot of people in your part of the world are descended from the 17th century Scottish mayor of Nykarleby, Wiljam Ross, but I hever heard of any Irishmen moving to Finland in the past. I am a bit worried this is off-topic so I won't say any more. If the moderator wants to delete this post as off-topic, that's fine.

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Nicole
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Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Print Post

David -- please contact Cionaodh about recordings ().

Robert -- it's nice to know that when people ask advice, they can count on you to be rude and completely unhelpful. Not only do I have the Dillon LPs in my living room, I also have St Patrick's first sermon on eight track!



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