Here courtesy of Iomairt Cholm Cille & Bartholomew's
Click on the "Colme Cille demo" link
Navigate by clicking on the large scale map.

(Message edited by aonghus on September 08, 2005)

*Me* shocked and awed 8-)) Cinnte, it is a cool stuff. How can I print it out?

Quick ceacht: I always thought Port Láirge=An Rinn, and An Rinn = Port Láirge. But it seems they are world apart :(( Can anyone explain this puzzle to me???

I have a copy of this map at home guys!

Go the website of Iomairt Cholm Cille, go to the contact email for Ireland or Scotland, send them a nice email and they will send you a free copy!

I got mine last year!

(Message edited by diarmo on September 08, 2005)

A Rómáin,

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Port Láirge=An Rinn

Tá An Rinn suite i gContae Phort Láirge.

Cá bhfuil tusa? :-)

Go raibh maith agat, a Aonghuis.
Bhí an léarscáil sin ar fheabhas.

Cad a tharla leis An Spidéal?!

Paul

Ró bheag, is dócha.

Manx should be represented by Iomairt Cholm Cille aswell. It's quite a disgrace that it's not.

it's on the map.

they do have a page for manx where they say it's not 'dead' in their estimation, but there is no native speaking population, so my guess is that therein lies the difference

But they don't give money to Manx language colleges. Neither is the page available in Manx, neither is Manx on the small map in the corner of the page. It's not represented on the Forum page either.

Even if it is dead, people are making an effort with it and, being part of the Gaelic family, they should be helped out.

Iomairt Cholm Chille, who made the map, is a joint Scots-Irish project, which is why Scotland and Ireland are covered.

However, the map does show Man with (as far as I can see) Manx names:
Look here!

(Message edited by aonghus on September 09, 2005)

They wank on about Gaelic though, not Scots-Irish. And Manx is a Gaelic. And anyway, it should be Scots-Irish-Manx, why are the Men being left out? Even if they can't spell ;)

Since we are on the subject of maps, try

http://maps.google.com/

Type in "10 market st, san francisco", zoom in ALL the way and click on "satellite" or "hybrid". Now type in "Dublin". If it looks "funky", scroll up (north). It should be clear. Most of the map of Ireland is pretty messed up, but they're working on it, I'm sure. Most of it is in English, but there is some Irish on it, so it makes me wonder if they will include more Gaeilge or not... Their European HQ is in Dublin:

European Headquarters
1st & 2nd Floors
Gordon House
Barrow Street
Dublin 4
Ireland
fax: +353 (1) 436 1001

Soooooo... Although they might be actually "making" the map out here in their HQ in California, who knows.

I think I'll send them a polite letter, and see what response I get.

(Message edited by aaron on September 09, 2005)

The isle of Man is a sovereign state. As I understand it, Iomairt Cholm Cille was set up by people getting together from Ireland and Scotland. If the Manx want in, that's up to them, surely - rather than condemning Iomairt Cholm Cille with Whataboutery - Gosh, they left out Cape Breton. Muise nach cladhairí agus bithúnaigh iad!

Is aisteach an rud é gur bhaist siad "Iomairt Cholm Cille" air. Is fiontar Gàidhlig-Gaeilge é, má thuigim i gceart é, ach ní dóigh liom go bhfuil an t-ainm a thogh siad intuigthe i nGaeilge. Is ionann "iomairt" agus "imirt" ó thaobh na staire de (is cognates iad), ach is é an chiall atá le "iomairt" ná "playing, etc., enterprise, campaign, shuttle service" (ó The Gaelic-English Dictionary le Colin Mark). Mar shampla, Companaidh Iomairt nan Eileanan Siar = Western Isles Enterprise Company.

Mo bhuíochas libh a chairde. Bíonn sé an-deacair léirscáil ceart Galeach a fháil de ghnáth.

I would like to buy a big Irish-language map of Ireland, but one that did not have Scotland and the Isle of Man on it. Can one buy such a thing?

Well the Celtic league doesn't consider Galicia & Asturia to be celtic nations becuase they don't have a Celtic language. But they apreciate Cornwall & Manx'efforts and list them as them.

Djwebb, fuair mé ceann ón Suirbéireacht Ordanáis, ach bhí sé dubh agus bán. Níl ceann daite ann faoi láthair.

Níl aon eolas ar an suíomh (go bhfeicim), ach d'fhéadfá dul i dteangmhail leo:

http://www.osi.ie/contacts/us.shtml

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ach is é an chiall atá le "iomairt" ná "playing, etc., enterprise, campaign, shuttle service"

Is é an chiall atá le "feachtas," de réir Dinneen: "a deed, exploit; a turn or time; once."

Eil thu tuigs' na tha mi ràdh?

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Eil thu tuigs' na tha mi ràdh?

Not really. "Iomairt" is a problem, since it's opaque to Irish-speakers, and "feachtas" is equally opaque to Scottish Gaels, ged a tha am facal "feachd" aca. There's enough common vocabulary, they might have come up with a name that makes equal sense on both sides of the water. Ach is dócha gurbh iad Gaeil na hAlba a chuir tús leis an "iomairt" seo agus a fuair na chéad deontais.

(Message edited by dennis on September 12, 2005)

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Go the website of Iomairt Cholm Cille, go to the contact email for Ireland or Scotland, send them a nice email and they will send you a free copy!

Níl sé chomh simplí sin anois, faraor. Scríobh mé chuig Iomairt Cholm Cille agus dúradh liom dul i dteagmháil le Foras na Gaeilge. Seo an freagra a fuair mé ó FnaG inniu:

Ceapaim go bhfuil sé ar fáil, ach níl ag éirí le Iomairt Cholm Cille é a chur ar fáil d'Áis (an dáilitheoir leabhar lena n-oibrím) faoi láthair. Fillfead ar an scéal má chuirtear ar fáil dom é.

Tharla an rud céanna domsa is a tharla do Dennis.

A Aonghuis, Iomairt Cholm Cille is a body for promoting forms of Gaelic and the Manx should've been included. Saying they're sovereign means nothing, Ireland is sovereign too, so should the Republic have been left out? And yes, if they're are efforts to promote a Gaelic in Cape Breton, they too should be helped out. In fact, I'm fairly sure the Iomairt gives grants to things in America and places to do with promoting a Gaelic.


And to the naming issue, I've seen Iomairt Cholm Cille written differently, I presumed it was Scots-Gael, Iomairt was spelt differently and Cholm was written Cholum. So, I don't think the two names are exactly the same in both languages.

I've been contacted by Mícheál Ó Ríordáin, the acting manager of Áis, which distributes the publication of the map. He says they are currently out of stock, but they are actively trying to get more of them. His e-mail is
Áis only deals with retail outlets, but if you give him your home address, he'll tell you the nearest outlet they supply.

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Bunaíodh Iomairt Cholm Cille (ICC) le freastal ar mhianta lucht na Gaeilge in Albain agus in Éirinn agus chun deis a thabhairt dóibh caidreamh níos dlúithe a bhunú agus eolas níos doimhne a chur ar theanga, ar oidhreacht agus ar shaol a chéile. Táthar ag súil go rachaidh an comhchaidreamh seo chun sochair do phobail Ghaeilge in Éirinn agus in Albain san am i láthair agus san am atá le teacht.

http://www.colmcille.net/home.asp?lang=2

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Iomairt Cholm Cille (ICC), was inspired by the demand from Gaelic speakers in Scotland and Ireland for the chance to meet each other more often, and in so doing to learn more of the language, heritage and lifestyles of one another.

http://www.colmcille.net/home.asp?id=1&lang=1

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Cén gaeilge atá ar "whataboutery", n'fheadar?

Sea, ach ní ceart é. Má tá tú ag cuidiú le haon Gaeilge, ba cheart a chuidiú le gach Gaeilge.

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ba cheart a chuidiú le gach Gaeilge.

Is faoi na Manannaigh, nó na Manainniseoirí, an éagóir a leasú, más cás leo í. Thiocfadh leo dul i dteagmháil le ICC. Ach is féidir go bhfuil siad sásta mar a bhfuil siad, ar an imeall leo féin.

Sin é go díreach. Dála an scéal, ó tharla go bhfuair an cainteoir dúchais deiridh bás sna 1970í, an ann do phobal Mannainaise - mar atá pobal Gaeilge i mBÁC agus Béal Feirste? (Cé go bhfuil tionchar láidir Gaeltachta ar na pobail ansin).

"However, the map does show Man with (as far as I can see) Manx names.

Yup:

ELLAN VANNIN
Rhumsaa
Baie Rhumsaa
Purt ny h-Inshey
Balley Sallagh
Purt Chiarn
Yn Cholloo
Creneash
Purt le Moirrey
Balley Chashtal
Doolish
Laksaa
Sniaul

"Tha coimhearsnachdan an Alba, an Èirinn agus an Eilean Mhanainn nam pàirt de shaoghal agus cànan na Gàidhlig."
http://www.colmcille.net/content.asp?id=3&lang=3

"Chaidh mapa ùr Gàidhlig de dh' Alba, Èirinn is Eilean Mhannain a chur an cèill dhan mhòr-shluagh aig Ionad Oideas Gael ann an Gleann Cholm Cille, Dùn nan Gall air Dimàirt 29mh An t-Iuchar 2003 le Éamon Ó Cuív TD, Ministear na h-Èireann airson gnothaichean Coimhearsnachd, Dùthchail is a' Ghaeltacht."
http://www.colmcille.net/article.asp?id=62&lang=3§ion=5