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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2005 (July-August) » Archive through August 03, 2005 » Lip shapes (openness/width degrees) « Previous Next »

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Robert
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Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 04:30 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Hi,
does anyone have a correct set of lip shapes to go with vowels and consonants in irish? I know palatised consonants tend to have spread lips, while velarised phonemes have more rounded lips -generally.

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Lughaidh
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Username: Lughaidh

Post Number: 513
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I don't understand your question. What you say is right about the shape of the lips when pronouncing slender and broad consonants.

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Maidhc_Ó_g
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Post Number: 45
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 03:45 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I remember a post back a while where someone had found a link to some charts showing mouth and tongue positions for different pronunciations. I tried to do a search, but I wasn't able to find it. Does anyone else remember these and could you find them again?

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Robert
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Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 06:28 am:   Edit Post Print Post

"I don't understand your question. What you say is right about the shape of the lips when pronouncing slender and broad consonants".

What I mean is that, is there a simple linear relationship between phoneme and lip shape, that is, are full velar sounds fully rounded, and fully palatal sounds spread, and other sounds falling somewhere inbetween in a way that one can easily work out?

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 522
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 09:59 am:   Edit Post Print Post

I can say that at least, bilabial slender sounds are made with spread lips - you can see that when you look at a native speaker who's speaking. Because most of the time, bilabial slender sounds aren't palatalised (as n or t would be), the difference is that you pronounce them with your lips spread, and that they aren't followed by a little "w"-glide as their broad forms are.



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