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Fear_na_mbróg
Member Username: Fear_na_mbróg
Post Number: 630 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 07:25 am: |
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I want to clarify this. We all know that the genitive follows "ing", eg.: looking for a man : ag lorg fir doing work : ag déanamh oibre annoying the boy : ag crá an bhuachalla hitting his brother : ag bualadh a dhearthár But... there's times when the genitive doesn't follow it. Here's one example where: ag déanamh obair mhaith It seems that where you have an indefinite noun, and where this indefinite noun is followed by an adjective (or a noun in the genitive), then you don't alter the noun. But when exactly does this apply? Does it apply to the plural also? Firstly, are all of the following correct?: looking for big information = ag lorg eolas mór doing good work = ag déanamh obair mhaith praising a nice girl = ag moladh cailín deas (as opposed to "dheis"). hitting a small cat = ag bualadh cat beag (as opposed to "cait bhig") seeking full-time employment = ag iarriadh fostaíocht lánaimseartha ( as opposed to "fostaíochta" ) What about some plural ones? looking for small mistakes = ag lorg botúin bheaga? |
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 463 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 10:33 am: |
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According to standard grammar, after a verbal noun, the noun isn't in the genitive if it's indefinite (= without article, etc) and followed by an adjective or something that qualifies it. Ag lorg botúin bheaga BUT Ag lorg na mbotún beag. |
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Max
Member Username: Max
Post Number: 78 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 12:41 pm: |
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>>Ag lorg botúin bheaga In this case, "lorg" behaves like a verb, and "botúin bheaga" is therefore the object of the verb. (Or rather: "botúin bheaga" behaves like an object, therefore "lorg" should be considered a verb.) >>Ag lorg na mbotún beag In this case, "lorg" behaves like a noun, and "na mbotún beag" is therefore the posessive phrase. (Or rather: "na mbotún beag" behaves like a possessive phrase, therefore "lorg" should be considered a noun.) No wonder these are called verbal nouns... |
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