a chairde:

in the case of so called dentals...does the non-aspiration rule also apply to compounds and prefixes. take for example: uathdho/: spontaneous combustion. would the compound uath-téamh..? for "spontaneous heating, warming" be unaspirated?

uath- (3) 1. Auto- 2. Spontaneous- (O'Donaill, p. 1294)
téamh:heating, warming, distilling.


I am confused becuase occasionally I see adjectives that qualify under the dental non-aspiration rule aspirated. or perhaps i am hallucinating my aspirations? anyway, thanks for any suggestions.

I may be wrong, but it appears to me that dental consonnants (e.g. d and t) are not lenited when preceded by n.

Therefore:

"seanfhocal" but "seanduine"

I wish it were that easy Max. You're basically right about 'd' and 't' following N but of course that doesn't included verbs..

An ndéanann tú? etc

Where 'd' and 't' 's' follow dental rule (from memory)
after:
Sa (sa teach)
Leis an, ag an , ar an (leis an duine)
An- (an-suimiúil)
In the Genitive singular - murlán an dorais


Somhairle

http://www.daltai.com/discus/messages/20/13875.html

For a discussion on prefixed adjectives.

quote:

I wish it were that easy Max. You're basically right about 'd' and 't' following N but of course that doesn't included verbs..

An ndéanann tú? etc

Urú's are a different animal altogether, we're talking about the séimhiú here.

Basically, the Standard follows the rule that you don't séimhiú when DoTS follow DeNTaLS. The exception to the rule are adjectives and nouns which follow a noun, eg:

bean dheas
ainm an chailín dheis

You'll see and hear:

sa teach
sa tír
an tír

But then again this is just the Standard. Some dialects have no problem at all with séimhiú'ing D T and S:

sa thír
in aice an dhorais

>> sa thír
>> in aice an dhorais

Which dialects?

Some learners' Irish ;-)

a chairde: what about prefixes ending in dental and nouns or verbal nouns beginning in dental?

why: uathdho/: spontaneous combustion. (O'Donaill

uath- (3) 1. Auto- 2. Spontaneous- (O'Donaill, p. 1294)
téamh:heating, warming, distilling.



would it be uath-théamh or uath-téamh?

the rule seems to say it shd be uath-do?

as usual I am confused.

uath-théamh, i think. Th and dh are not dentals since the Middle Irish period - Dennis could tell us when exactly.

For Modern Irish I'd compare compounds in ath- (re-, ex-, etc.), which are numerous. FGB (Ó Dónaill) gives:

athdháil, athdhúisigh, athdhéan, etc.

but:

atíolaic (< ath + tíolaic), ationól (ath + tionól), atosaigh (ath + tosaigh), atóg (ath + tóg), etc.

Note that in all cases there is a primary stress on "a(th)" and a secondary stress on the next syllable.

thanks.

dennis a chara:

ODonaill, as you predicted, gives prefix Uath- as Uat-, with words beginning with T.

uatóime, autonomy,
uatrófach, autotrophic.

So I guess it would be Uatéamh for self-heating or instantaneous-heating.


pax