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Rómán
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Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I know that in the analytical forms of emphasis is easy to express by tweaking pronouns, e.g. instead of "tá mé" you say "tá mise" or analogously "tá tusa" etc. However, what tricks me - if you use traditional synthetic forms of Munster ("táim, táir, táimid, táid") - what forms do arrive at for emphasis? might it be "táimse, táirse, táidse"? or just "táim mise" or smth else? any ideas?

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 397
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Yeah that's it:

táimse, táirse, táimidne, táidsean... You can't say * táim mise, because in "táim" you already have the "mé" pronoun.

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Rómán
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Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Baochas, a Lughaidh! Can you comment why táimidne and táidsean. Any rule how you choose emphasizing "appendix"?

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Fear_na_mbróg
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Post Number: 592
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Easiest to learn posession first:

using the word "bád"

mo bhádsa
do bhádsa
a bhádsan
a bádsa
ár mbádna
bhur mbádsa
a mbádsan

These endings are used elsewhere:

mise
tuse
eisean ( seisean )
ise ( sise )
muidne / sinne
sibhse
iadsan (siadsan)


liomsa
leatsa
leis-sean
léise*
linn-ne*
libhse
leosan

*Not sure of these spellings

Basically the endings are as follows:

me: sa / se
you: sa / se
him: san / sean
her: sa / se
us: na / ne
yous: sa / se
them: san / sean

Be careful of two "s" running together:

mo sholas-sa
Is leis-sean an leabhar.

Vowels aren't hyphenated:

Mo mhadrasa
a mhadrasan

Not sure what happens when two "n" collide:

linn-ne / linne ? (le + muid)

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Lughaidh
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Username: Lughaidh

Post Number: 401
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 07:31 am:   Edit Post Print Post

With n's, most of the time you stick na/ne to the word, except when it ends with two n's, then you add an hyphen to separate the particle (otherwise you'd get three n's!)

ár madadhna (never seen it before, but i think it can't be anything else)

ár leabharlann-na

With personal endings (with prepositions and pronouns), you add -e to an -nn ending:

sinn > sinne
linn > linne
againn > againne



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