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Antaine
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Post Number: 359
Registered: 10-2004


Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Print Post

http://www.geocities.com/faolchu.geo/socioling1.html

i especially like the last paragraph on the first page, but the whole thing is interesting

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Dancas1
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Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Print Post

A Chara:

Interesting indeed. Though his knee-jerk dead republican discourse is a sort of mirror image of Hindley's knee-jerk dead language discourse.

still, overall, a good bhuail leadhb against Hindleyism.

foreign academics like the author often spend too much time reading irish revisionist historians in english.

he also ignores the irish language movement in the states and the diaspora. brooklyn, ny, home to more irish speakers in 19th and early 20th century than the entire gaeltachtai/, supported an irish language publication, an gaodhal (spelling?), a full decade or more before hyde et al. founded gaelic league. but they too might be suspect with our finnish friend since they were "tinged" with clann na gael, which was exceedingly powerful in brooklyn thanks to brooklyn residents like o'donovan rossa in 1870s-1890s, and tom clark in early decades of 20th century.

these new york and brooklyn irish speakers, of course, unwittingly gave birth to one of the most famous english (irish) vernaculars in history, through influence of the plays of eugene o'neill and endless hollywood gangster films: the brooklyn vernacular, which is really an irish-american english vernacular, mixed with yiddish, sicilian, and a 100 languages of the crosbhothar.

the irish language has a very complex hybrid history in ireland and the us. except for his parsing of republicanism and his simplistic somewhat "elite" equation of sinn fein with merely reactionary nationalist politics, it is an excellent piece.

thanks for the article.



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