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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2005 (March-April) » Archive through April 19, 2005 » Muna vs. mura « Previous Next »

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Cailindoll
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Post Number: 53
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 08:09 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Tá ceist agam oraibh:

Bainim úsáid as mura an t-am ar fad, cé go dtuigim muna nuair a chloisimse é. Ach an bhfuil siad go hiomlán interchangable? Cén áit a cloistear mura in áit muna? Cad é bhur dtuairimí?

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 1271
Registered: 08-2004


Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 09:11 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Tá mura sa bhfoclóir beag, ach níl muna! Níl me cinnte, ach ceapaim gurbh ceist foghraíochta/canúna atá ann.

mura [cónasc]
más rud é nach, dá mba ea nach (mura bhfuil deifir ort, mura dtiocfá liom, murar bhris tú é; murab ionann iad, murbh éagóir air é).

Tá nóta anseo faoi:
http://nualeargais.ie/gnag/gram.htm Féach Cab 6, agus téir síos an lch go mura.

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 271
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

They are interchangeable, just variants of the same word.

Chluinfeá mara, mura, muna, mana (thig siad uilig ón tSean-Ghaeilg "maní" < má + ní) srl. Is dóigh liom go ndeirtear "mara" i gConamara, agus muna/mura i dTír Chonaill. Chan cuimhin liom cad é ’bíos acu sin theas i gCorca Dhuíne agus i Múscraí.

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Peadar_Ó_gríofa
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Post Number: 217
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 08:42 am:   Edit Post Print Post

"Mara" adeirtear sa Mumhain, agus "mur" nó "mura" i Maigh Eo.
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"But whereas eclipsis after remained confined to a couple of verbs, eclipsis after muna spread to all verbs. This extension of eclipsis was due mainly to confusion with mar a, 'where' (pron. marэ, mэrэ; mara bhfuil sé, 'unless he is,' and mar a bhfuil sé, 'where he is,' are pronounced exactly alike. Mac Aingil (1618), who as a rule is careful to employ only the classical form muna, leniting (e.g. muna fhoil, muna fhaghthar, muna thuga, muna ghlacthar), once lets slip from his pen the colloquial mar a bhfaghthar, in the sense of 'if it is not got.'

— T.F. O'Rahilly, "Irish Dialects Past and Present"

Peadar Ó Gríofa



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