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Paul
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Posted From: 66.152.218.225
Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

A chairde,

Does anyone have any thoughts regarding the relative merits of MacLysacht's The Surnames of Ireland and Woulfe's Sloinnte Gaedhal is Gall?

Le meas, Paul

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'dj@ks
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Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Paul,
here below is some gubbins on him and his activities. I have the book, as do many here, as may you too. Its merit I am not qualified to judge upon. ONe gets the feeling he was methodologically rigourous, and very good at what he did.

Hope someone has what you are looking for.

"In 1943 Edward MacLysaght was appointed as head of the Genealogical Office and some years later Chief Herald of Ireland, both positions being attached to the National Library of Ireland. MacLysaght took it upon himself to endeavour to regulate Chiefly titles..."

"In 1944, MacLysaght established a system of 'courtesy recognition' of Irish Chiefs, as of course formal recognition of titles is forbidden by the 1937 Constitution..."

from: www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/common/ejournals/at0202-4.asp

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Paul
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Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Go raibh maith agat, a 'dj@ks.

I do have a copy of the MacLysaght book, and think it's great. I know next to nothing as regards genealogy and the academic study of Irish surnames, and am hoping that some Daltai discussion forum poster has some thoughts re these two books.

Le meas, Paul

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Peadar_Ó_gríofa
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Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

>I do have a copy of the MacLysaght book, and think it's great.<

I do too, and so do I. He makes many references to Woulfe, acknowledges his contribution, questions those of his assertions or conjectures that are dubious and corrects him where he's evidently wrong.

Peadar Ó Gríofa

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Maidhc Ó G.
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Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 03:17 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I've got the 6th edition 1991 printing. It's excellent.
Woulfe is greatly acknowledged as are many other scholars. He also gives a list of other articles and novels including the "Dictionary of the Irish Language" by The Royal Irish Academy.
Others he mentioned as sources he made use of include the eleven volume "Manuscript Sources of the History of Irish Civilization", edited by Dr. RJ Hayes, "Corpus Genealogiarum Hiberniae", by Dr. MA O Brien, Rev. Paul Walsh's "Irish Chiefs and Leaders", "The Parish of Ballinasloe" by Rev. PK Egan, also the 3rd. and 4th volumes of the "Books of Survey and Distribution" series and Dr. RC Simington's "Transplantation to Connacht and Clare" - and still others.
The work also includes an essay on Irish chieftanries.
Dr. MacLysacht served as Chief Herald and Genealogical Officer of the Irish Office of Arms. Keeper of Manuscripts at the National Library of Ireland and Chairman of the Irish Manuscripts Commission.

-Maidhc

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Paul
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Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Go raibh maith agat as an eolas, a Mhaidhc.

Sounds like both are good solid works... I own a copy of MacLysacht, and my local library has the Woulfe book.

Le meas, Paul

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Seosamh Mac Muirí
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Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 08:53 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Ar an ábhar céanna le Mac Giolla Iasachta:

Sloinnte Uile Éireann - All Ireland Surnames
Published by Comhar-chumann Íde Naofa Teo. Áras Íde, Faing, Co. Luimnigh, Éire.
Written by Seán de Bhulbh

Recommended Retail Price:


Hard Cover: €40.00. ISBN 09530560 5 8


Paper-Back: €20.00. ISBN 09530560 6 6


484 pages : 170mm x 245mm

This book is a much expanded edition of Sloinnte na hÉireann/ Irish Surnames which was published in 1997, hence the new name. It is based on a survey of all the surnames appearing in the telephone directories of the whole island in 2000, giving their frequency, location and origins.

Part I is written in Irish: it deals with indigenous Gaelic names and those foreign names which were gaelicised in the medieval period and later. It is intended to help Irish people to appreciate the remarkable cultural roots which our name system enshrines.

Part II incorporates the above-mentioned survey and is written in English to provide a wider readership with an account of all the surnames now in use in the country, giving notes on derivation and background as appropriate.

There are original maps of early territorial divisions, tribal areas and the location of the more prominent septs together with a county map for easy location of surname territories.

Portraits of the great surname scholars, Rev. Patrick Woulfe and Dr. Edward Mac Lysaght, are by Limerick artist, Frank Bouchier.There are appendicies on notable minorities.


All enquiries to ÁIS, Book Distributors, 31 Fenian St., Dublin 2. Tel. 01- 6616522,


Fax: 6612378. e-mail: moriordain@forasnagaeilge.ie


Or to Seán de Bhulbh, Lime Tree, Sth. Circular Rd., Limerick.


Tel. 061-228411; from abroad: +353-61-228411.

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Paul
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Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Print Post

A Sheosaimh, a chara:
An-spéisiúil. Go raibh maith agat. Níor chuala mé faoin leabhar sin a riamh.

Le meas, Paul

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Seosamh Mac Muirí
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Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Do chéad fáilte a Phóil. Is mac dearthár an Athar de Bhulbh é Seán de Bhulbh. Ba é an tAth. de Bhulbh údar an leabhair 'Sloinnte Gael is Gall'.
Woulfe, Patrick. Sloinnte Gaedheal is Gall: Irish Names and Surnames, Collected and Edited with Explanatory and Historical Notes. Dublin: M.H. Gill, 1923.
Location: Wilson Reference CS2411 .W6
http://www.ucc.ie/research/atlas/projectoverview.htm
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mwoulfe/woulfefa.htm


An-fhoinse anseo, ach go mbíonn an suíomh ar ainghléas scaití:
http://baz.perlmonk.org/surnames.cgi?view=alpha

Minicíocht sloinne le feiceáil anseo:

http://baz.perlmonk.org/surnames.cgi?view=beta

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Paul
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Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Míle maith agat arís, a Sheosaimh.
Is an-fhoinse tusa!
D’fhéach mé ar na nascanna difríúla a thug tú dom inniu...

Tá mé ag déanamh saghas taighde neamhfhóirmúil re na sloinnte atá ar mo mhuintir agus rudaí mar sin. Dipping my toes into genealogy, as it were. Ag an am céanna, tá suim mór agam i logainmeacha chomh mhaith – is scéal eile é sin.

Slán tamall, Paul



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