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Posted From: 80.58.36.235
Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I just sent a riomh-phost to TG4 explaining I was having problems with their service. Idecided to try it as Gaeilge. Could anyone tell me mistakes I may ( most probably )have made? Don´t slaughter me though , nil ach beagán gaeilge agam!

Dia dhuit a Pheadair ,
Cheannaigh mé areir síntúis ar an sheirbhís TG4 Webtv ach nil is feidir liom a fáill cláir áirithe. Dúradh liom dioladh cuid acú ' connecting to media ' agus ansin ' ready' , ach ní tharlaíonn sé rud ar bith. Fóir orm le do thoil ! Ba mhaith liom aon comhairle ar bith chun an fhadhb a réitigh. Nil is fadhb ach cuid na cláir , mar shampla , Nuacht TG4 agus Feílte . Tá sé Ros na Rún i bhfeidhm go brea ach.

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 596
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Well done. But now, the red pen,

Dia dhuit a Pheadair ,
Cheannaigh mé areir síntúis ar an do sheirbhís TG4 Webtv aréir, ach nil is feidir liom a fáill cláir áirithe a fháil. Dúradh liom dioladh you've lost me here, I'm afraid cuid acú ' connecting to media ' agus ansin ' ready' , ach ní tharlaíonn rud ar bith. Fóir orm le do thoil ! Ba mhaith liom aon comhairle ar bith chun an fhadhb a réitigh. Nil is fadhb ach le cuid de na cláir , mar shampla , Nuacht TG4 agus Feílte . Tá Ros na Rún i bhfeidhm go brea ach...

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Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

thanks a million Aongus that is most helpful. Reading over your corrections I can see how I was being a little to literal in my translation from the Enlish in my head. The part where you say I lost you should mean , 'it said to me with some of them ' and even now writing it back out makes me realise how convuluted it sounds even in English, Duirt sé liom corruair , may have been more clear but as I was not told it as such but was reading these messages from the player I kind of got lost.

Its great reading your corrections becuase at least now I recognise not only the mistakes but why I made them. I still havnt reached the point where I can think in the syntax of Irish.
But do you think at least he will have understood the basic problem Im having???
go raibh maith agat

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 599
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 04:16 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Since I was able to correct it, I understood it. So will he.

I still don't know where you got "dioladh"

I would say "Uaireanta fuair mé an teachtaireacht "Connecting to media", ansin "Ready" ach níor tharla faic ina dhiadh sin"

BTW: As a SW Engineer, I would have told him
a) which browser I was using
b) type of connection modem/adsl etc
c) operating system
d) Version of RealPlayer or whatever,

But that's just me!

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Fear_na_mbróg
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Post Number: 322
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 06:59 am:   Edit Post Print Post

You're a software engineer, Aonghus?

Does the following make any sense to you:

int main(){}

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 603
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 07:53 am:   Edit Post Print Post

It is an empty C program. So it doesn't make sense.

It is also incorrect. Unless of course it has some meaning in some other domain, but I doubt it.

(A correct version, but equally useless, would be:
int main(void) { 
return(0);
}

)

(Message edited by aonghus on December 14, 2004)

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Fear_na_mbróg
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Post Number: 326
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 08:36 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Correct in a way...

Actually, it's the minimalistic C++ program, which is 13 characters long (terminating in a new-line character). Empty parentheses in a function declaration or defintion indicate "(void)", and a return statement is not mandatory for the function "main".

C is obsolete!

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Akidd
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Post Number: 59
Registered: 11-2004


Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 08:45 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Fear_na_mbróg:

"C is obsolete:" thats not true for microcontrollers, where the memory is measured in a few kbytes

"statement not mandatory:"

true by the language definition

false by nowadays implementations (gets at least a warning "no return value")

false by logic: returning "0" signals correct program flow.

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Fear_na_mbróg
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Post Number: 327
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Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 08:52 am:   Edit Post Print Post

quote:

"C is obsolete:" thats not true for microcontrollers, where the memory is measured in a few kbytes.



A C++ program will have no overhead whatsoever over a C program.

quote:

false by nowadays implementations (gets at least a warning "no return value")



Say that in comp.lang.c++ and they'll slap you in the face! The Standard is the only authority. I have plenty of compilers that don't issue a diagnostic.

quote:

false by logic: returning "0" signals correct program flow.



In stand-alone programs, no return-value is necessary.

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 605
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 08:55 am:   Edit Post Print Post

I rather suspect that the statement C is obsolete will not hold up. I make quite a good living, most of which is based on my knowledge of C in the embedded domain.


Ach cén baint atá aige seo le Gaeilge?

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Akidd
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Post Number: 61
Registered: 11-2004


Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 09:05 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Fear_na_mbróg:

of course its not "necessary". but you drive better, if you initialize memory blocks.

makes the difference between 'works most of the times, except friday' 'its safe practice'

do not know if you have noticed it, safety has priority now in software developement, and 70% is java / .net now (actual numbers).

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 609
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Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 09:10 am:   Edit Post Print Post

70% of what?

And what are Java Virtual Machines written in?

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Akidd
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Post Number: 62
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Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 09:14 am:   Edit Post Print Post

70 percent of microsoft developers.

i dont know java/java script very much, its derived from c/c++. there is also so called c#.

what i have written, is based on real experience with visual studio. i were reading the language specifications, too, for c++.

(Message edited by akidd on December 14, 2004)

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 610
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Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 09:16 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Ah.

I wonder what percentage of Unix developers use C as opposed to C++ or Java.

And I'm pretty sure it's upwards of 90% of embedded developers use C. Including NASA and ESA, who (unfortunately) seem to be moving away from Ada.

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Akidd
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Post Number: 63
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Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Print Post

the reason is that they do not understand fully, that c++ programs can be shorter in source, more compact in the executeable, and faster, too.

it depends how properly classes are designed, and if the memory administration is fully understood, or just 'running'/'bug-free'.

however, i dont know about the NASA situation, its rather not a technical failure, IMHO.

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 614
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Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Print Post

C++ executable reliability depends more on the compiler, so it is partly a problem of validating the compiler. C++ also leaves (even more) room for programmer error than C.

Embedded systems avoid dynamic memory; you can't just swap to disk.

and so on....

However, there are enough programming flames wars out there; let's not start one here.

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James
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Post Number: 79
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Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post Print Post

And this pertains to Gaeilge in what way?

Sorry. Just having a hard enough time reading and comprehending the Irish. This alphabet soup of compu-lingo is more than my feeble brain can handle. Probably would be more appropriate on another forum....Daltai na idirlion perhaps?

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 618
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Or even daltaí na hidirlíne.

Ach idir an dá linn, fillimis ar ár dteanga ársa.

You are perfectly right, James. But it is hard not to get drawn in when one's profession is involved.

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James
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Post Number: 80
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Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 09:29 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Don't I know it! I've done the same myself, as you well know!

Le meas,

James

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 622
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 04:16 am:   Edit Post Print Post

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