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Aland
Member Username: Aland
Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 12:01 pm: |
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Will someone please give me the phonetic pronunciation of my favorite single malt: "Knappogue"? Thank you very much. |
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| Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 06:12 pm: |
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Knap - nap; ogue rhymes with rogue. |
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Jonas
Member Username: Jonas
Post Number: 541 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 08:03 am: |
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"Knappouge" is the phonetic pronunciation. It's always a bit hard to guess what Irish name lies behind these unintelligble English renderings, but I'm fairly sure the end is "na póige". 'Cnap na póige' could be a guess, though that would be a rather strange name :-) |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 499 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 11:02 am: |
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It is simply "Cnapóg" - lump or hill Knappogue Castle (Cnapog - a mound or little hill) The castle, 5 km southeast of Quin, (originally a MacNamara stronghold built 1467), was restored in the 19th century by Lord Dunboyne. The castle passed to the Land Commission in the late 1920s and was re-sold in 1966. The new owner refurbished the interior in 15th century style. The castle is open to visitors in the daytime and medieval banquets take place at night. http://www.accommodation-cliffs-of-moher.com/midclare/midclare1.html (Message edited by aonghus on December 01, 2004) |
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Philosophe
Member Username: Philosophe
Post Number: 12 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 01:01 pm: |
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In light of new information: pronunciation knap-ogue there isn't really an "u" sound between the k and the n, and i would say the stress of the word is on the second part. ogue to rhyme with rogue like before |
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| Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 03:27 pm: |
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I was just pondering... cnapóg is a "mound or little hill", and i remember something about a split in pronunciation into two--> p and c e.g., One dialect pronounces pinn and one cinn for head..? well... could this go someway towards describing why cnapóg isn't cnocóg --cnoc óg-- which doesn't mean small hill anyway so maybe not...but it kind of does, in that young would imply smallness is this a bit of a tenuous link?! any ideas yeah and why didn't the other c get changed to a p you are thinking...maybe the dialect lends itself to changing c to a p so this could be the result with common useage |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 552 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 03:34 pm: |
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I think you have mixed up the P and Q branches of Celtic with dialects. (Brythonic (Welsh, Cornish, Breton) vs Goidelic (Irish, Manx, Scots Gaidhlig)) which do have a c->p shift. Cnap is a lump. Lots of terms like this get given to landscape features, and the ending -óg need not mean young. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 03:50 pm: |
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oh is cnap mé in aon chor :) |
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