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Celtoid
Member Username: Celtoid
Post Number: 53 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 08:50 am: |
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How does one form the superlative of the adverb? Rinne mé go maith é. I did it well. Rinne mé níos fearr é. (?) I did it better. Sin é an rud is fearr a dhéanamh. That is the best thing to do. How do you say, "I did it best." or "That's what I do best."? |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 483 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 10:56 am: |
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Usually "is": but be careful! But maith is irregular. I did it best (of a group of people) Is mise an duine is fearr a rinne é That's what I do best Is aige sin is fearr atá mé |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 485 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 11:11 am: |
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To be strictly accurate: there is no superlative form. "Is + comparative" usually indicates superlative, but may indicate comparison. example: dearg - aidiacht dearg [ainmneach uatha ] deirge [breischéim ] Is deirge Lenin ná Stalin - Lenin is redder than Stalin. Sé Trotsky is deirge - Trotsky is reddest. (But even this could be comparative - there is an implied "of them all" in there). |
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Fear_na_mbróg
Member Username: Fear_na_mbróg
Post Number: 295 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 01:27 pm: |
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He showed it more interestingly. One time in Irish class I said that as: Léirigh sé go níos suimiúla é. but the teacher corrected me with: Léirigh sé níos suimiúla é. That's all I can tell you! I did it best : Rinne mé é sa chaoi ab fhearr. |
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Lúcas
Member Username: Lúcas
Post Number: 69 Registered: 01-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 04:18 pm: |
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FnaB's last example illustrates another other strange thing about the superlative; it changes with a change in tense. Ba deirge Lenin ná Stalin. Lenin was redder than Stalin. B'é Trotsky ba deirge. Trotsky was reddest.
I guess this quirk is because the superlative is formed using the copula. Is that second sentence correct or would it be better to say, " Bhí Trotsky ba deirge"? (Message edited by lúcas on November 30, 2004) Mise le meas, Lúcas
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Lúcas
Member Username: Lúcas
Post Number: 70 Registered: 01-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 12:09 am: |
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Oopppps. I forgot. Ba causes séimhiú. Ba dheirge Lenin ná Stalin. Lenin was redder than Stalin. B'é Trotsky ba dheirge. Trotsky was reddest.
I understand that the comparative even changes tense. Let me rewrite FnaB's last sentence in comparative past tense. Rinne mé é sa chaoi ní b'fhearr. I did it better.
It is interesting in the past superlative how ba gets turned around into ab when it preceded by a vowel, e.g., ab fhearr, but in the past comparative níos = ní + is gets changed into ní b',e.g., ní b'fhearr. Check out p. 101 of Mac Congáil's grammar for more on this. Mise le meas, Lúcas
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Fear_na_mbróg
Member Username: Fear_na_mbróg
Post Number: 300 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 08:44 am: |
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níos = ní + is I do it the best way. Déanaim é sa chaoi is fearr. I do it a better away. Déanaim é i gcaoi níos fearr. I did it the best way. Rinne mé é sa chaoi ab fhearr. I did it better. Rinne mé é i gcaoi ní ab fhearr. OR Rinne mé é i gcaoi ní b'fhearr. You have a choice between "ab fhearr" and "b'fhearr", I believe... though I'm open to correction on that! Another example: Your mother was the most beautiful woman in the country. Ba í do mháthair an bhean ab áille sa tír. |
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Fear_na_mbróg
Member Username: Fear_na_mbróg
Post Number: 301 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 08:47 am: |
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Just some general examples. It is the biggest dog. Sé an madra is mó. That dog is bigger. Tá an madra sin níos mó. It was the biggest dog. Ba é an madra ba mhó. That dog was bigger. Bhí an madra sin ní ba mhó. - It is the most beautiful dog. Sé an madra is áille. That dog is more beautiful. Tá an madra sin níos áille. It was the most beautiful dog. Ba é an madra ab áille. That dog was more beautiful. Bhí an madra sin ní b'áille. (maybe "ní ab áille" would be valid above... ?) |
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Celtoid
Member Username: Celtoid
Post Number: 54 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 08:50 am: |
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(((I did it best (of a group of people) Is mise an duine is fearr a rinne é.))) But isn't "fearr" modifying "duine", and therefore an adjective? (((That's what I do best Is aige sin is fearr atá mé.))) Again, isn't "fearr" being used as an adjective (modifying "aige sin") here? Is there no superlative of adverb? |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 497 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 09:03 am: |
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Níl fhios agam! Ní smaoiním i dtearmaí gramadaí dá léithéid. Tabhair sampla i mBéarla dúinn, más é do thoil é! De réir na leathnaigh seo: http://www.braesicke.de/gram.htm (i nGearmáinís) níl aon breis- ná sárchéim ar dobhriathair, seachas na cinn a thagann ó aidiacht. Agus is ionannn na foirmeacha. |
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Celtoid
Member Username: Celtoid
Post Number: 55 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 08:00 am: |
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(((Tabhair sampla i mBéarla dúinn, más é do thoil é!))) Rinne mé. Tuilleadh samplaí: I ran the fastest. I came the earliest. I sleep the soundest. I'll be shouting the loudest. I pluck the penguins the most efficiently. I tip-toe through the landmines the most carefully. |
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Fear_na_mbróg
Member Username: Fear_na_mbróg
Post Number: 309 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 08:09 am: |
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Okay, well here's how I'd do them: I ran the fastest = Mise a rith is tapa. I came the earliest = Mise a tháinig is luaithe. But I'm not sure if they're right. |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 511 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 10:21 am: |
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Mise ba thapúla a rith Mise is luaithe a tháinig Agamsa atá an suain is doimhne Mise is airde a bheidh ag scairteadh Mise is fearr ag lomadh penguiní (?) Mise is curaimí a rachadh ar bharraciní tríd na mianaigh talún Níl fhios agam an bhfeiceann tú patrún ansin, ach feictear dhom gur aidiacht ar "mise" a bhíonn ann. |
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Celtoid
Member Username: Celtoid
Post Number: 56 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 09:19 am: |
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Feicim. But it seems that in every example the noun is being modified, not the verb. Nach é sin ach a chaoi a bhfuil sé i nGaeilge? |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 516 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 11:02 am: |
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Is dóigh liom é. Ní feidir liom smaoineamh air sampla leis an mbriathar. Tá an méid seo le rá ag Lars Braesicke: ( http://www.braesicke.de/adverb.htm) quote:Im Irischen ist hier im Grunde die Komparativform kein Adverb, sondern ein Adjektiv in einem Kopula-Relativsatz als Attribut des Subjekts. Das klingt kompliziert, ist es aber nicht. z.B.: Is é Seán is luaithe rith. = Seán läuft am schnellsten. (wörtl.: "Ist er Seán der-ist schnellst Laufen"), oder: Is é Seán is luaithe a ritheann. = Seán läuft am schnellsten. (wörtl.: "Ist er Seán der-ist schnellst, der läuft") Go bunúsach ní dobhriathar an breischéim, ach cailíocht ar an ainmní i fó-abairt leis an gcopail. |
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