Dia Diaobh a chairde,
I am new to this forum, although not new to Daltai. Just back from a fabulous weekend at Jamison. I had a great teacher : Lucas, who I see posts on this list.
I recently obtained a copy of Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone in Gaelic (smile): Harry Potter agus an Órchloch. I am reading it, and on the first page, I came across a word that I can't translate. Was hoping that someone here could help

The word is "Samhlófá". It is used in the following sentence:

Ba iad an drean deirenach iad a **samhlófá** rud ar bith ait na aduain leo, mar ní raibh luí ar bith acu le hamaidí den sórt sin.


Go raibh maith agat!!!

slán

Cathasaigh

This is the conditional tense of "samhlaigh", the second person (the person spoken to). In English it means "that you would think"

The whole sentence translates as - they were the last group you would think had anything odd or strange about them, as they had no tendency towards foolishness of that sort.

I would translate it more as 'you would imagine' than 'you would think'
'samhlaigh' means to imagine.
Samhlaigh gach duine ar an domhan ag labhairt i nGaeilge!
Imagine everyone in the world speaking Irish

Samhlaigh most definitely means "imagine".

In this context, Think = Smaoinigh.

Conditional Tense:

Shamhlóinn ( me )
Shamhlófá ( you )
Shamhlódh sé ( Jack )
Shamhlóimis ( us )
Shamhlódh sibh ( yous )
Shamhlóidís ( them )
Shamhlófaí ( one )

A Chathasaigh, a chara,

Is é do bheatha an 'blog' seo. Tá tú rochineálta. GRMMA.

Rebecca,

The correct way to say speaking Irish is "ag labhairt as Gaeilge".

Hi Kay,
In fact I have to disagree with you. 'speaking Irish' would be translated as 'ag labhairt Gaeilge'.
But I have said 'ag labhairt i nGaeilge' all my life and it means 'speaking in Irish'. I speak, mainly, the Ulster dialect and it is used commonly up there.
But thank you for bringing that to my attention.
Rebecca

All of the following are valid:

ag labhairt Gaeilge = speaking Irish
ag labhairt na Gaeilge = speaking Irish

ag labhairt as Gaeilge = speaking in Irish
ag labhairt i nGaeilge = speaking in Irish


I think that many people choose "as" over "i" simply to make it as different as possible from English; it can be a bit sickening at times to hear people say, "An bhfuil sé alright?" and the likes. I suppose the worst I've ever heard is "Beidh mé ag babysiteáil".

That said, I don't have any problems with pulling a word into Irish and not changing it, particularly when the word isn't English, for instance:

An tAmbulance
An tOtharcharr

Which would I prefer? Probably the first one. As for:

gluaisteán
carr

I would quickly steer clear of the second one, trying to be as different from English as is possible, but at the same time saying:

Bhíos ag tiomáint mo ghluaisteáin

might sound as stupid as:

I was driving my automobile.

Nobody says "automobile"!

So here's how I look at it: If there's already an Irish word for it, then use the bloody thing:

Tá sé alright Tá sé ceart go leor. / Tá sé togha (not sure if I've the right spelling there).

But then I don't have any problem with saying:

Chuaigh muid go dtí an cinema.

I wouldn't say "picture house" in English, so I'm not gonna say "pictiúrlann" in Irish.

Samhlaigh does mean imagine. However when it is used with le, as it is in that sentence, is does not mean imagine as in fantasize, but as in "mind picture"

i.e. They were they least likely people to be mixed up in anything strange. (We are talking about the Dursleys here).

So Kay's translation is accurate. (Mar is gnách).

It's difficult to differentiate between 'imagine' and 'think' even in English. "I'd imagine that they were correct." I don't think this sentence has much to do with fantasizing.

I disagree.

My understanding of "imagine" is as follows:

Let's say that in your mind's eye you see a video (perhaps some-one kicking a football). That video came from either:

A) Your memory.

B) Your imagination.

So... to "imagine" in my understanding of it is to sort-of fabricate a memory and then play it back to experience it.

To "fantasize" is to imagine in a particular way. To fantasize is to fabricate a memory and experience it with the aim of getting pleasure from it (sexual or otherwise).

"think" is a different thing altogether. To "think" is sort-of a mechanical thing, ie. just using the brain to process some information. If I were asked would it rain today, then I'd look at the sky, analyze the clouds and "think" whether it would rain -- it involves no "imagining".

To imagine is to think with creativity.

A computer can think, but it can't imagine...

Ach tá difríocht suntasach ann idir "samhlaigh deoch deas leanna dubh" agus "Samhlaím Fear na mBróg le leann dubh"



(Message edited by aonghus on November 15, 2004)

I've checked a few dictionaries to tie this down.

Samhlaigh le is best translated as associate

So:
Ba iad an dream deirenach iad a **samhlófá** rud ar bith ait na aduain leo, mar ní raibh luí ar bith acu le hamaidí den sórt sin

They were the last people you would associate with anything peculiar or odd, because they had no inclination towards foolishness of that sort.

Glacaim leis sin. Ní raibh mise ach ag tabhairt mo thuairimse.

mo thuairim
ag tabhairt mo thuairime

mo thuairimse
ag tabhairt mo thuairimese

Bhuel b'fhéidir go scríofá sin ach ní déarfainnse choíche é!! An bhfuil tú cinnte?

Níl mise. Táim sách cinnte go n-imíonn an "e" nuair a chuirtear "se" leis an focail.

Féach freisin: http://www.google.com/search?hl=ga&q=thuairimse

agus leagan FnaB: http://www.google.com/search?hl=ga&q=thuairimese

quote:

Níor aimsíodh na focail - thuairimese - ar cháipéis ar bith.
Níor aimsíodh "thuairimese" i leathanach ar bith.

tuairim [ainmfhocal baininscneach den dara díochlaonadh]
pictiúr san aigne, oipineon (tá tuairim agam; cad é do thuairim de?); barúil (is é mo thuairim é); amhras (ní chuirfeá faoina thuairim é).

http://www.aislingmagazine.com/aislingmagazine/articles/TAM31/cuirtanmhean-oiche .html

Ar an leathanach sin, tá scríofa:

"Dar láimh mo charadsa"

Léiríonn sin in aon chaoi go n-úsáidtear an fhoirm ghinideach den ainmfhocal go fóill sa chás sin.

Mar shampla:

mo chara
ag feiceáil mo charad

mo charasa
ag feiceáil mo charadsa


Maidir le "tabhairt mo thairimese" Vs "tabhairt mo thuairimse", níl soiléireacht agam -- ach níl aon fháth agam chun smaoineamh nach bhfanfadh an 'e' sin ann...

Ní cloistear an "e". Féach go bhfuair google an leagan gan "e" sách minic, ach nach raibh an leagan eile le fáil.

Just to add fuel to the fire, _Learning Irish_, in Lesson 14, has "Sin é mo thuarimsa".

It's pronounced that way on the tape, too, so I don't think it's a typo.

--Al Evans

But it is odd, since it seems to violate "caol le caol"

a chairde,
Go raibh maith mile agaibh as bhur freagrai!! Conditional mode .....figures.....I seem to have a mental block with that verb tense .

Bhí bhur "postings" an suimiúil. What indeed IS the difference between thought and imagination? Thanks esp to Aongus for the "samhlófá le" explanation. And thanks to those who mentioned Google-ing gaelic words. I google all the time, but never tried it with gaelic!

Lucas: ba muinteoir go maith tusa! Chonaic mé abairt i Harry Potter : An gasúr a thainig slán. b'fheidir leat an abairt seo a usaid i rang an bhlian seo chugainn ;-).... LOL Ni bheidh mé ag scriobh ar abairt faoi an gaoth anseo ;-)

(perhaps you can use this sentence in class next year. ....LOL I wont be writing our sentence about the wind here)

slán

Casey

PS sorry that I am so slow to answer, ach fuair mo ríomhaire tinn!

Tá amhras orm anois faoi "ag tabhairt mo thuairime"

Tá an cheart ag FnaB sa mhéid is go leanann an TG ainm bhriaththa.

(ó http://www.ucc.ie/acad/mi/cursai/gramadachnua/grnua4.html)

Ainm briathartha + tuiseal ginideach, ag léamh an leabhair, ag déanamh na hoibre

Níl mé cinnte conas a dtreisofaí "tuairime" sá chás sin.

Cá bhfuil na hollaimh? A Sheosaimh, an bhfuil fuascailt na ceiste agat? (Agus fuascailt "maithis" leis, más féidir!).

Is oth liom a rá go bhfuil an ceart ag Fear na mbróg! Má fhéachann tú ar 'google' tá 'tuairimse' ann go minic ach ní mar ghinideach. Dúradh liom gur 'ag tabhairt mo thuairimese' atá ann ceart go leor ach go seachnaítear an ginideach a úsáid. Is dócha mar go bhfuil sé chomh deacar a rá!
Ní déarfaidh mé choíche go deo arís é!

ag dúnadh mo dhoras-sa
ag feiceáil mo charadsa
ag tabhairt mo thuairimese!

Cén fáth nach ndéarfá 'ag dúnadh mo dhoraise'??

"tuairim" isn't a word that's put in the genetive all too often, let alone stressed in the genetive; that's one reason why the following search may fail:

http://www.google.ie/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq= thuairimese+tuairimese+thuarimiesean+dtuarimiene+dtuarimiese+dtuarimiesean&as_eq =&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=of f

Oh! Rinne mé botún!

I'm only human, we all make mistakes!

ag dúnadh mo dhorais-se

Trying to watch the road and work the gears at the same time... still not fluent enough to pull it off perfectly every time!

a chairde,

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