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Celtoid (Unregistered Guest)
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 07:28 am: |
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A while back, Fear na mBróg posted "Sin é an buachaill a bhuaileann Seán. (That is the boy that beats Seán.) Sin é an buachaill a mbuaileann Seán. (That is the boy that Seán beats.)" Is that correct? My books say that indirect relatives are used where there's a prepositional relationship, time, place, way/reason, or a genetive relation. I was unable to find an example like the one Fear na mBróg gave. But I couldn't think of how else to say "That is the boy that Seán beats.". |
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Fear_na_mbróg
Member Username: Fear_na_mbróg
Post Number: 4 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 10:23 am: |
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Sin an buachaill a mbuaileann Seán. Sin an buachaill go mbuaileann Seán. The two above definitely mean "That's the boy the Seán beats". Unfortunately: Sin an buachaill a bhuaileann Seán. is inconclusive, as for example, you'll hear: Cad a dúirt an buachaill? When really it should be: Cad a ndúirt an buachaill? Cad go ndúirt an buachaill? |
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Celtoid (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 07:03 am: |
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Tá brón orm, a Fhear na mBróg, but I fail to see how the second example is inconclusive. And I still can't find an example in my dictionary like the one you gave. |
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Fear_na_mbróg
Member Username: Fear_na_mbróg
Post Number: 12 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 04:43 pm: |
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Here's an example: Cad a bhuaileann an buachaill? You can only determine from context whether that means "What hits the boy?" or "What does the boy hit?", similarly with "Chonaic mé a leabhar", you can only determine from context whether it's "his book", "her book" or "their book". |
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Celtoid
Member Username: Celtoid
Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 08:00 am: |
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But, by the example you originally gave, wouldn't "What does the boy hit?" be "Cad a mbuaileann an buachaill?" |
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Fear_na_mbróg
Member Username: Fear_na_mbróg
Post Number: 17 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 08:53 am: |
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Yes, but what I'm saying is that despite that, people still do say: Cad a bhuaileann an buachaill? when they're expressing "What does the boy hit?". An example would be: Cad a fheiceann an cailín? There's no urú, so that must mean "What sees the girl?". BUT... you'll commonly see that used to mean "What does the girl see?". Context context context. |
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Celtoid
Member Username: Celtoid
Post Number: 3 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 08:30 pm: |
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Maith go leor. But couldn't that also apply to "Sin é an buachaill a bhuaileann Seán."? |
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