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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 1999-2004 » 2004 (July-September) » Archive through August 22, 2004 » Lenition problems « Previous Next »

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Nina (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 68.89.228.242
Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 09:53 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Dhia Duit everyone
I'm not super far in Learning Irish but the good news is that I have a close friend who is very enthusiastic about learning Irish as well though she's learning from Irish On Your Own and we want to try to speak Irish to each other(well when we know more, it's so neat to know I'll have someone to practice it with )but she has only just started and considering her name is Rachel I wondered how I would do the Lenition as far as how it would sound for "Rh" as in Cóta Rhachel. Considering we want to speak and not just write to each other in Irish it'd be nice to know what I could do about it.

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Searlas
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Username: Searlas

Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Hi Nina,

As far as I know the letter R isn't affected by lenition, so using your example "Rachel's coat" would be "cóta Rachel". Therefore no worries about the pronunciation changing!

Regards,

Searlas

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OCG (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Print Post

The only letters lenited are:

B,C,D,F,M,P,S,T.

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Tomás (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

OCG, -- You forgot 'G'. It, too, is subject to aspiration.

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Fear_na_mbróg
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Username: Fear_na_mbróg

Post Number: 6
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 10:29 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Séimhiú:

B C D F G M P S T

Urú:

A E I O U

B C D F G P T

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James
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I find it easier to remember which letters DON'T lenite. I use this memory aid:

MS HaLoRaN had a beauty that could not be eclipsed.

her brother

MR HaLoRaN was a stern man who could never be softened.

MS HLRN do not take an Uru

MR HLN do not take a seimhu

(I know I'm missing some fadas there...sorry)

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(Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 04:20 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I've a tricky one for you, ponounce this:

Ag smaoineamh ar an ngnó

:-D

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Alevans
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Username: Alevans

Post Number: 118
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I've a tricky one for you, ponounce this:

Ag smaoineamh ar an ngnó


A-smeena airin grow....

Well, that's how we pronounce it in Texas, anyway.

:-):-)

--Al Evans

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OCG (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 08:33 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Ag smaoineamh ar an ngnó

In cases like that I pronounce the G, you need to in order to be understood, I think.

Wouldn't the N on the article "an" suffice as an urú anyway?

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Jonas
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Post Number: 371
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 03:49 am:   Edit Post Print Post

I don't quite understand the question? Why would it be a problem to pronounce it?

[@ smi:n´@v er´@n {ng)no:]

And no, there is no "g" sound in it.

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Fear_na_mbróg
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Caint na nGnáthdaoine

Na Nunawdeeny

Ag smaoineamh ar an ngnó

ar an nó


OCG, you say that you'd need to pronounce the G in order to be understood. All I can say is that neither of us are fluent so we can't comment on that! Anyway, you just pronounce an N sound.

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Tomás (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Print Post

In Conamara (and elsewhere)'gn-', 'cn-', and 'mn-' are often pronounced as if they were 'gr-', 'cr-' and 'mr-'. For many people, substituting the 'r' sound for the 'n' sound in these consonant combinations makes the pronunciation easier.



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