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Nina (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 09:53 pm: |
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Dhia Duit everyone I'm not super far in Learning Irish but the good news is that I have a close friend who is very enthusiastic about learning Irish as well though she's learning from Irish On Your Own and we want to try to speak Irish to each other(well when we know more, it's so neat to know I'll have someone to practice it with )but she has only just started and considering her name is Rachel I wondered how I would do the Lenition as far as how it would sound for "Rh" as in Cóta Rhachel. Considering we want to speak and not just write to each other in Irish it'd be nice to know what I could do about it. |
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Searlas
Member Username: Searlas
Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 10:10 pm: |
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Hi Nina, As far as I know the letter R isn't affected by lenition, so using your example "Rachel's coat" would be "cóta Rachel". Therefore no worries about the pronunciation changing! Regards, Searlas |
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OCG (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 12:24 am: |
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The only letters lenited are: B,C,D,F,M,P,S,T. |
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Tomás (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 05:10 pm: |
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OCG, -- You forgot 'G'. It, too, is subject to aspiration. |
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Fear_na_mbróg
Member Username: Fear_na_mbróg
Post Number: 6 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 10:29 am: |
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Séimhiú: B C D F G M P S T Urú: A E I O U B C D F G P T |
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James
Member Username: James
Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 02:25 pm: |
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I find it easier to remember which letters DON'T lenite. I use this memory aid: MS HaLoRaN had a beauty that could not be eclipsed. her brother MR HaLoRaN was a stern man who could never be softened. MS HLRN do not take an Uru MR HLN do not take a seimhu (I know I'm missing some fadas there...sorry) |
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(Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 04:20 pm: |
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I've a tricky one for you, ponounce this: Ag smaoineamh ar an ngnó :-D |
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Alevans
Member Username: Alevans
Post Number: 118 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 06:34 pm: |
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I've a tricky one for you, ponounce this: Ag smaoineamh ar an ngnó A-smeena airin grow.... Well, that's how we pronounce it in Texas, anyway. :-):-) --Al Evans |
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OCG (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 08:33 pm: |
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Ag smaoineamh ar an ngnó In cases like that I pronounce the G, you need to in order to be understood, I think. Wouldn't the N on the article "an" suffice as an urú anyway? |
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Jonas
Member Username: Jonas
Post Number: 371 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 03:49 am: |
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I don't quite understand the question? Why would it be a problem to pronounce it? [@ smi:n´@v er´@n {ng)no:] And no, there is no "g" sound in it. |
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Fear_na_mbróg
Member Username: Fear_na_mbróg
Post Number: 8 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 09:35 am: |
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Caint na nGnáthdaoine Na Nunawdeeny Ag smaoineamh ar an ngnó ar an nó OCG, you say that you'd need to pronounce the G in order to be understood. All I can say is that neither of us are fluent so we can't comment on that! Anyway, you just pronounce an N sound. |
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Tomás (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 10:28 am: |
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In Conamara (and elsewhere)'gn-', 'cn-', and 'mn-' are often pronounced as if they were 'gr-', 'cr-' and 'mr-'. For many people, substituting the 'r' sound for the 'n' sound in these consonant combinations makes the pronunciation easier. |
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