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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 1999-2004 » 2004 (July-September) » Archive through August 06, 2004 » Conduct and Participants on Daltaí na Gaeilge « Previous Next »

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Jonas (195.148.181.4 - 195.148.181.4)
Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 05:46 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Age-ism, Fear an mBróg and corrections

For some reason there have been more discussion about participants and their conduct than about Irish the last weeks. I do not welcome this development, but at the very least I would propose that we all avoid them in on-topic discussions. What started out with a perfectly motivated question by someone from Turkey about Celtic languages soon turned into members attacking each other. If I was that member I would not return here. I would like to adress three topics - I hope no-one takes offence, none is intended.

Age-ism
May I propose that we leave the discussion about participant's age? It is of absolutely no importance. Young people can express themselves perfectly polite and old peole can be very rude-. The opposite is equally true. I take no interest in the age of anyone here and cannot see why we should discuss it.

Fear an mBróg
More than anyone else, Fear an mBróg has been attacked. I find it unnecessary. If you find that what he writes is wrong, point it out. If you find him rude you can either point it out or live with it. I must admit that I haven't read this board regularly the last month (vacation) but prior to that I read it almost daily. I never found the behaviour of Fear an mBróg such that it called for long discussions.

What does troubble me a bit, Fear an mBróg, is that you often present things as guaranteed fact when they are totally wrong. The person who came here asking about the number of phonems in Irish left after your "no-doubt" answer that Irish has about the same number of phonems as English, which makes one wonder if you know what a phonem is. Based on your answer you seemed to be talking about letters, not phonems. Yesterday you presented the idea that the last Cornish speaker day a few years ago. Of course there is nothing wrong with being wrong (we all make mistakes from time to time) but if you don't know the answer to a question and still answer it, it might make sense to inform the one who posed the question that you are not sure.

Correction
A member here attacked those who correct other members' Irish with quite harsh words yesterday. I can understand that not everyone like being corrected. As Winston Churchill said "I always want to learn but I don't always like to be taught". I have to say that I tent to avoid correcting other members' Irish since I know that the effort I put into it is hardly appreciated - so why should I bother?

However, trying to learn Irish (or any other language) without accepting corrections (over and over again) is about the same thing as trying to run a marathon with just one leg. Brave, perhaps, but futile. It is absolutely impossible to learn a language without being corrected. If I had a Euro for every time I've had my Irish (or some other languages) corrected I would be a very rich man by now. Whenever I talk with someone in a language that I know I don't master to 100% I specifically ask them to correct my mistakes. I respect the wishes of those who don't want to be corrected - and they do have the right not to be - but they are in for a much harder task than those who constantly are corrected.

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Fear na mBróg (213.94.242.244 - 213.94.242.244)
Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 07:35 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post


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I respect the wishes of those who don't want to be corrected - and they do have the right not to be - but they are in for a much harder task than those who constantly are corrected.


I must say that I disagree to this. I have no respect whatsoever for those who do not wish to be corrected. You either want to learn Gaeilge or you don't want to. I myself, especially in the early days, loved being corrected. When I'd say something like "Bhí sé ag moladh mé", and then some-one wrote back saying "Bhí sé do mo mholadh", I loved it! I was learning all the time. I don't scrutanize others' mistakes, I just put a simple little note at the end of my posts correcting them. I don't see why nobody agrees with me on how down right stupid it is to not be corrected.

I totally agree about the whole age-ism thing. I think I revealed my age once on this forum, and ever since it's been "used against me". If ever I acted in a way some-one took exception to, then it had to be on account of my age.
So leave it out!

As for the thing about the Cornish speaker; I remember about a year ago in school I was learning Stair na Gaeilge and we were talking about the other Celtic languages, Cornish and Manxx, and the teacher said that the last fluent speaker of one of them had just died recently; I was pretty sure it was Cornish but it appears I was mistaken. Anyway, for the record, my statement was preceeded with "I believe that...".

And about the phonems thing; I didn't think my answer was too exact. My intention was just to give a broad view. I just thought in my head, "Well, we don't have z in Gaeilge, or that sound in the middle of massage" and went from there.
But then again, can you truly say that a language doesn't have a certain sound? For example, the Gaeilge for "zoo" is "zú". And in languages like French, that sound in the middle of "massage" is much more recognized and used much more often, but we still have a handful of words that have it in English, like "Asia" "vision".

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Fear na mBróg

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UMG (220.233.19.174 - 220.233.19.174)
Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 08:42 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Now, that was funny!

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Fear na mBróg (213.94.242.244 - 213.94.242.244)
Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 08:53 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Do you intend to make a contribution, UMG? What purpose did your previous post serve?

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pissed off (80.58.36.235 - 80.58.36.235)
Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 09:07 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

in fact dont bother , keep the board , Ill see if I can find another , will you be happy when youve chased everyone away with your bollox?

Its a shame too, becuase this board had such potential

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Fear na mBróg (213.94.242.244 - 213.94.242.244)
Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 09:23 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Very mature.

You're not in your hometown - people aren't intimidated by insults and curses here.

Thank you very much for seeking another board, I appreciate it.

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D (213.190.149.122 - 213.190.149.122)
Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 10:12 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Eirigh leat amadain!

Show your identity if you are so brave Fear na mBrog!

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D (213.190.149.122 - 213.190.149.122)
Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 10:14 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Cen aois ata aige in aon chor? fiche daois? no nios mo?

D

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UMG (220.233.19.174 - 220.233.19.174)
Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 04:58 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Humour is the only antedote to breathtaking and misplaced arrogance.

I've started ignoring you except when you give a decent sincere response to someone, which you often do. It's a pity you're not always like that but shur' nobody's perfect.

Don't mind getting upset about any of this - it's all good social experimentation fun these news groups.

Now, back to the Irish, will we.

Did you ever head down to Dingle? It's a grand spot to speak Irish and a lovely place to visit too. There're putting in an Irish-only type restriction for people getting new council houses - nothing formally tested, just a kind of "let's slip into speaking Irish and see how the prospective buyer reacts" - now that's one way of keeping the locals in the land!

Le meas,

UMG

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APEBhoy (62.254.104.8 - 62.254.104.8)
Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 05:36 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Taim tar eis suil a chaitheamh air an suiomh idirlion seo le tamall maith anuas agus caithfidh me a ra go bhfuil fadhb ag FnMb...

eirigh as a chara, ni ag cabhru leis an Ghaeilge ata tu, ach a mhalart.

is coir mean nios mo a bheith agat doibh siud go bhfuil ag foghlaimt on bun. Na bi ag tabhairt amach doibh.

Is teanga e an Ghaeilge do chach, ni do dhaoine le 'ego's' amhain, ego's go cgaithfea a mhealladh...

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Eagla na heagla (159.134.97.138 - 159.134.97.138)
Posted on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 04:56 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

You're for it now !! God, he'll slaughter you !! Amach sa líne !!



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