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Gaeilgeoir on Iaraic (193.32.3.82 - 193.32.3.82)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 09:13 am:   Edit Post Print Post

how do you say in Irish

weapons of massive destruction
liar
cheat
Yank
racists
jail
torture
hypocrits

Thanks

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Bradford (216.16.15.66 - 216.16.15.66)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Print Post

It seems that about twice a year someone has to come on here and send out an inflammatory post in the guise of "innocent" translation.

We're a friendly and civil group here for the most part, a Ghaeilgeóir, and I'm of the opinion that we'd like to keep it that way.

This is an Irish forum, not a political one.

- Bradford

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Se (193.32.3.82 - 193.32.3.82)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Print Post

A chairde,
I think some of the translations that people ask here (especially for 'Irish' tatoos) are pretty peculiar to my Irish eyes!

Maybe some of the words are provocative but I would certainly like to know what words like hypocrit, torture are (out of curiousity!)

You have to remember also that people outside of the US have a pretty bad impression from there these days!

maybe the media over there is not protraying what we are seeing here what I have seen on Fox (which is available in Ireland!) is pretty shockingly
biased in favour of the warmongers!

http://news.bbc.co.uk
http://www.michaelmoore.com
http://www.ireland.com

le meas

Seamus o Loch Gar

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Bradford (216.16.15.66 - 216.16.15.66)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Print Post

A Seamuis,

Some translation requests here are peculiar, I agree, but I don't think they are inflammatory in today's world like the ones you requested.

I think you missed the point of what I was trying to say. I don't know the political views of 99% of the posters here, nor do I want to know. That is not the purpose of this board, and any time posts like yours are made it seems that this board has a tendency to "erupt" for a time, as it were.

I'm an American, and I may or may not agree with your political views. You have no way of knowing, nor will you. What I'm saying is that my political opinions are of no matter here!

We're here to learn about the Irish language, not engage in political nastiness. If you have a real need for translations of those words, fine, but if you're just trying to piss off a certain segment of the readership here please stop.

- Bradford

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Oscar (193.32.3.82 - 193.32.3.82)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Print Post

I am a pissed off Paddy indeed! Bush is on his way here and Bertie is welcoming him with open arms in Shannon airbase (oops airport!) even Rumsfeld will come here and say how he shares the pain of the Irish people over the last 30 years of violence..but hey we must keep the American investors happy after all our economic tiger depends on it..where would be without the $1.6 Billion Intel will invest here?...slaves to US imperialism I guess we are and our language is being wiped out by thrash from Fox/Nbc/ITV ...pissed off I am indeed

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Bradford (216.16.15.66 - 216.16.15.66)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Print Post

I tried reasoning with you and got nowhere. Must say that blaming Fox/NBC etc. for the decline of the Irish language is a stretch, but if you wish to blame us "evil Americans" for that, go right ahead.

I think I've said enough about this. If you wish to carry on, then by all means carry on.

- Bradford

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James (209.48.182.219 - 209.48.182.219)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Print Post

What are the words for:

Tyranny

Beheadings

Burned Bodies

Hanging from a Bridge

Uday's Rape Rooms

Nerve Agents used on 10,000 Kurds

Execution of Political Rivals

Opression of Women's Rights

Suppression of Human Rights under the guise of Religious Zealotry

Oh, and what is the Irish for:

Most economically generous nation in the history of Mankind

Defender of European freedom in two World Wars and for the entirety of the Cold War

These would be just a few questions I would have. That is, if I chose to respond to the politcally inflammatory rhetoric that is often spewed forth from the comfort of a sofa or a dormitory room that is secured by the efforts and sacrifices of a dedicated military that protects a secure democracy.

I mean, that's what I would be asking, if I were going to respond.

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Annoyed! (161.28.161.57 - 161.28.161.57)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Oscar,
If you are a slave, it is only to your own misconceptions. I am a citizen of the US; do you really think that as such, I have any interest in "enslaving you?" If so, you are deeply troubled indeed. I am not an imperialist, nor have I any interest in having power or control over anyone--save myself. The US is a very big country, which includes many faiths, political leanings, and types of people within its borders (your geography lesson for today). Why must you bundle us all together and assume that we are all out to get you?

Actually, I'm here to learn Irish.
Today I want to learn how to say "stereotyping others is wrong," in Irish. Can you help me, Oscar?

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Annoyed! (161.28.161.57 - 161.28.161.57)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post Print Post

BTW, Well put James...

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Carroll (194.125.48.128 - 194.125.48.128)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post Print Post

I am having some problem translating the following phrase -

Policical discussion can in some ways be a relevant and interesting element of the language learning process, but the loud cliched echoing slogans which populate an empty head are wasting valuable computer time.

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Fear na mBróg (159.134.103.185 - 159.134.103.185)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

A Ghaeilgeoir ón Iaraic,

Bradford doesn't speak for the group.

Bradford, I found your original post to be extremely ignorant, arrogant, and down right stupid. A person came here looking for a translation, that is all, no more no less. Whether the translation be of "I like rainy days" or "I raped seventeen children last night and murdered six of them", I am ambivalent to.

I myself will be happy to offer translations of anything to those who ask.

--

weapons of massive destruction = airm ollscriosta
liar = bréagadóir
cheat = (a person that cheats) caimiléir
Yank = ?
racists = ?
jail = carcair
torture = peannaid
hypocrits = fimínigh

Tyranny = Tíorántacht

Beheadings = Dícheannuithe

Burned Bodies = Coirp Dhóite

Hanging from a Bridge = Ag sileadh le droichead

Uday's Rape Rooms = Seomraí Ionsaithe Gnéis Ulay

Nerve Agents used on 10,000 Kurds = Feidhmeannaigh Néaróige úsáidte ar 10,000 Kurd

Execution of Political Rivals = Bású Iomaitheoirí Polaitiúla

Opression of Women's Rights = Leatrom Ceart Ban

Suppression of Human Rights under the guise of Religious Zealotry = Toirmeasc Ceart Daonna faoi riocht Díosgraiseachta Cráifí


Most economically generous nation in the history of Mankind = An náisiún is flaithiúla go heacnamaíoch i stair an Chinne Daonna

Defender of European freedom in two World Wars and for the entirety of the Cold War = Cosantóir saoirse Eorpach sa dá Cogadh Domhain agus iomláine an Chogaidh Fuair

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Fear na mBróg (159.134.103.185 - 159.134.103.185)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Yank = Poncán
Yanks = Poncáin

Racism = Cinedheighilt

Maybe "a racist" would be "cinedheighilteoir", similarly:

racists = cinedheighilteoirí

racist (adjective) = cinedheighilteach

But that's just me guessing.

--

Seomraí Ionsaithe Gnéis Uday

Cosantóir saoirse Eorpach sa dá Cogadh domhain agus in iomláine an Chogaidh Fhuair.

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Oscar/Se/Ghaeilgeoir on Iaraic (193.32.3.82 - 193.32.3.82)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I never said that you were all imperialists--they r many though, Michael Moore has documented many of them in his books/films...can anybody say that MM is doing some good for the US as he is trying to make you aware how morally corrupt your system is in the States? (it is here too by the way--FF-PD just announced a big investment by Intel so they can divert attention from the fact that their pro-business mentality has marginalised many people from their own country especially the young who can not even think of buying their own house in Dublin!)
it is not an attack on Americans rather on your system--a memory i have I'll never forget is Mexican I saw in NYC cutting carrots all day into a bucket-he was doing a slave like job just to survive!

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not afriad to criticise my country (193.32.3.82 - 193.32.3.82)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

the govt. labour minister looks after work visas (and factory opening!!) for foreigners...they are issued by a company (making them slaves to that company!) it just happens that her husband is the head of the employers union which says giving the foreigners ownership of their own visas would be a madness --her opinon on this issue is? well exactly the same as her husband! Ireland of the welcomes indeed (only if you are a wealthy tourist!)...

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Seosamh Mac Muirí (193.1.100.104 - 193.1.100.104)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Ba cheart iad a aistriú ceart go leor, mar a rinne Fear na mBróg. Tá an dá liosta curtha ar fud a chéile anseo agam a chairde agus rinneas iarracht gan tagairt d'éinne a scríobh anseo romhainn (seachas tú féin i gcead duit féin, a Fh. na mB., le dea-mhéin).

Is fear labhairt amach ar son na teanga ag tráth mar seo - It's better to speak out on behalf of the language at a time like this a chairde.
I have put both lists together and through other.
Ar son na teanga a bheartaigh mé seo a dhéanamh. I thought it best to do this so as to confirm that some of us shall be here to put a bit of Irish on whatever comes in. Two in a short space of time isn't too bad. I'm sorry I didn't look in sooner today.
Tá súil agam go mbainfidh muintir an dá thaobh maith agus faoiseamh éigin as. I hope both sides shall take some good and some respite out of it.

Seosamh

weapons of massive destruction = airm ollscriosta
liar = duine bréige, bréagadóir
cheat = feallaire, fealltóir, (caimiléir = duine cam i gcúrsaí airgid)
Yank = Poncán
Tyranny = mursanacht, tíorántacht
Beheading/s = dícheannú/dícheannaithe
Burned Bodies = coirp loiscthe
Hanging from a Bridge = crochta as droichead
Most economically generous nation in the history of Mankind = an tír ba fhéile geilleagar i stair an duine.
Defender of European freedom in two World Wars and for the entirety of the Cold War = Cosantóir shaoirse na hEorpa sa dá Chogadh Domhanda agus le linn Chogadh na Fuaire ar fad.
racists = lucht ciníochais
jail = carchair
torture = céasadh
hypocrits = lucht na fimíneachta, fimínteoirí, slíomadóirí
Uday's Rape Rooms = seomraí éignithe Uday
Nerve Agents used on 10,000 Kurds = ábhair fhrithnéaróige a cartadh le 10,000 Curdach
Execution of Political Rivals = feallmharú lucht freasúra polaitíochta
Opression of Women's Rights = cos ar bolg ar ceart na mná (always a singular for me)
Suppression of Human Rights under the guise of Religious Zealotry = cur faoi chois chearta an duine in ainm na fíréantachta creidimh,
cur faoi chois chearta an duine in ainm na ródhíograise creidimh

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Seosamh Mac Muirí (193.1.100.104 - 193.1.100.104)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Feicim séimhiú ar iarraidh:
cos ar bolg ar cheart na mná

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Fear na mBróg (159.134.103.185 - 159.134.103.185)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

An dícheannú
Cúis an dícheannaithe

Na dícheannuithe
Cúiseanna na ndícheannuithe

An tIonsaí
Na hIonsuithe

An Deisiú
Na Deisithe

Just so you know!

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Still annoyed! (161.28.161.57 - 161.28.161.57)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 02:09 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

*Mexican I saw in NYC cutting carrots all day into a bucket*

So what? Many of us US citizens do that sort of thing just to survive. The media has brainwashed you into thinking the streets are paved with gold over here.
I worked on a garbage truck (throwing trash into the truck) for years here in the good ole' US--and for minimum wage at that. Big deal... what's your point?

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James (209.48.182.219 - 209.48.182.219)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

This is exactly why I stopped visiting this site.

Michael Moore is being used as an example of what America represents????!!!! His work is notoriously inaccurate and is unapologetically left-wing and Anti-Bush. Quoting him is like quoting the National Enquirer in support of UFO's! The fact that you even reference that idiot speaks volumes about your ability to form an opinion of your own!

I'm sick of being made to feel like I have to apologize for being an American. These are the Facts:

America is one of the most free nations on the planet.

Everyone can live the "American Dream" if they work hard, study, sacrifice and save. Nobody said it would be easy, we just promise that it is possible.

No other nation gives as much to the rest of the world as the U.S. In 9 months I had personal oversight on the expenditure of nearly 1/2 million US dollars to deliver free medical care to the nomadic people of East Africa. Don't tell me we're making the world suffer, you simpelton. I've seen the rest of the world and spent most of my adult life trying to make it a better place. My opinions aren't formed from an armchair in front of a TV set but from years of living in the dirt and the grime trying to make a legitimate difference.

And don't ever forget this last point:

We were the ones attacked!!!! Those were OUR planes that were hijacked. Those were OUR towers, OUR Pentagon and OUR Fire and Rescue personnel. If some radical muslim cleric, or some jihadist has his personal dignity bruised because of some mis-guided ne'er do-well troops...well, that's just too bad. We didn't cut their heads off and post it to the internet!

Stop sniveling, suck it up and start facing reality.

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Bradford (216.16.15.66 - 216.16.15.66)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 02:34 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I wasn't going to post any more to this thread, but since I (or my post) was called "extremely ignorant, arrogant, and down right stupid" by a certain individual let me say a couple of things before I depart.

I don't know how long some of you have frequented this board, but every time a post like the original one in this thread is made, things always get ugly. Case in point is to look at this very thread thus far. I was hoping to cut that off before it happened, but I obviously failed. My bad.

I have always tried to be polite and neutral here. I don't have nearly as much Irish as many of the posters here but I've always being educated and even attempting the occasional answer.

Fact is, I don't need abusive language directed at me. I've got plenty of better things to do with my time than to put up that sort of thing. With that I'm departing here permantly. Thank you to Aonghus, James, and others out there that helped me improve my understanding of Irish over the past couple of years.

Goodbye.

- Bradford

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james (209.48.182.219 - 209.48.182.219)
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Bradford, A Chara:

Like you, I've had a similar mix of great and not so great time here. After a bit of a self-imposed "vacation" from this site, I find myself sinking into that same cycle of learning my ancestral language and defending my nationality.

Frankly, I think I can learn the language elswhere with far less conflict. Perhaps we'll meet again in a more focused and "tolerant" environment.

I'll join you in that permanent..."goodbye."

Le meas,

James



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