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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 1999-2004 » 2004 (April-June) » Ceist agam oraibh: bean/ban- « Previous Next »

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Chris Dixon (81.79.146.195 - 81.79.146.195)
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

A chairde,
Ceist agam oraibh.
Anyone have any thoughts as to why bean has a slender b, whereas the b is broad in all of the associated compounds - such as bandochtúir, bangharda and so on?
All suggestions gratefully received.
Le buíochas.

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Fear na mBróg (159.134.102.8 - 159.134.102.8)
Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 02:43 am:   Edit Post Print Post

an bhean

ainm na mná

na mná

ainmneacha na mban


That probably has allot to do with it. In anyways, I've never heard anyone pronounce "bean" with a y-glide, ie. slender b, so removing the e makes sense.

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Chris Dixon (81.79.118.181 - 81.79.118.181)
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

A chara,
Go raibh maith agat as do chúnamh.
I suspected that the range of broad voiced bilabials that you find in various related forms would have something to do with it.
Like you, I don't really hear the word initial "b" as slender - although the "bh" obviously is.
One aspect that struck me as strange though was the use of what is, syntactically, a genitive plural form as a fairly standard prefix.
Is it not much more common to find genitive forms as the second element in a compound?
Gabhaim pardún agat as an teachtaireacht seo i mBéarla. Níl móran Gaeilge agam, ach tuigim Gaeilge shimplí... agus tá mé ag foghlaim!
Le gach dea-ghuí!

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