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Jim Griffin (204.32.71.133 - 204.32.71.133)
Posted on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 07:53 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Greetings! My nephew asked if I could help translate this phrase. After I stopped laughing, I told him no - not accurately, but I bet I know who can. Any thoughts on the phrase, "if you want peace, prepare for war
"?

Thanks in advance!

p.s. I did the search thing before asking - no dice.

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............. (24.69.255.246 - 24.69.255.246)
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 03:49 am:   Edit Post Print Post

A miserable, illogical quote, which does not deserve to be translated into the Irish language, in my opinion.

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Seosamh Mac Muirí (193.1.100.104 - 193.1.100.104)
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 04:00 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Is mó an Ghaeilge ná tuairim aon duine amháin againn a ....... Uasail.

Jim, a chara,

In an Irish vein, one might say:
'fearann claímh Críoch Bhanban'.

Faoi dheifir, in a rush.

Slán go fóill.

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Aonghus (62.77.191.130 - 62.77.191.130)
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 04:18 am:   Edit Post Print Post

(I posted this in Feb 2003 - search for "para bellum" in the archive)

Más mian leat cogadh, ullmhaigh síocháin
Más mian leat síocháin, ullmhaigh cogadh.

However I agree with (I think) Tucholsky in that the only use for this phrase was to provide a name for a nasty pistol,

(Si vis pacem para bellum)

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Seosmah quote means "Banba's territory (i.e. Ireland) is a holding of swords". This is hopefully becoming less and less true...

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Fear na mBróg (159.134.101.26 - 159.134.101.26)
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 04:28 am:   Edit Post Print Post

"If you want peace, prepare for war"


Perfectly logical. This is what the police are all about.

An Garda Síochána = (loosely)Guardians of the Peace


You'll note that they carry batons as opposed to a transcript of "Cumb bye aa".

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Another related proverb:

Ná nocht d'fhiacla go bhféadair an greim do bhreith

Don't bare your teeth until you're able to bite.

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Seosamh Mac Muirí (193.1.100.104 - 193.1.100.104)
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 05:18 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Cúpla bomaite eile agam le gaois fhilíocht an tseanreachta a roinnt (faoi chaighdeán na linne seo). Seo an ceann atá uait measaim.

if you want peace, prepare for war:

Do fhir chogaidh comhailtear síocháin!

(Tadhg Dall Ó hUiginn, do Bhrian na Múrtha Ó Ruairc)

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Aonghus (62.77.191.130 - 62.77.191.130)
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 06:31 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Ní thuigim "comhailtear", a Sheosamh. Cen brí atá leis?

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Seosamh Mac Muirí (193.1.100.104 - 193.1.100.104)
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 07:31 am:   Edit Post Print Post

'Comhlíontar' an leathbhreac i nGaeilge na linne a Aonghuis agus ba cheart dom é a athrú an chéad iarraidh. Níos measa fós, ba cheart dom fanacht i dtaobh leis an uatha chomh maith. Más mall is mithid go deimhin:

Do fhear chogaidh gealltar síocháin!

Cé go bhfuil cuma na litríochta air i gcónaí lena bhriathar leath bealaigh isteach, is dóigh gur fearr a shinsear mar nath a léiriú.

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Jim Griffin (155.188.191.4 - 155.188.191.4)
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 08:47 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Thanks much for the translation help - I appreciate it. :-)

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Seosamh Mac Muirí (193.1.100.104 - 193.1.100.104)
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 08:58 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Fáilte romhat a Jim.

That final draught is my most preferable/proferable :

Do fhear chogaidh gealltar síocháin!

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Fear na mBróg (159.134.102.129 - 159.134.102.129)
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Print Post

What's it supposed to mean? "To a man of war, peace is promised"?

In aon chaoi,

"Fear Cogaidh" -> "D'Fhear Cogaidh" .i. Ní shéimhítear (nó urítear) an aidiacht. nó "Do Fhear Cogaidh", más fearr leat.


You may consider definite articles in there:

"Don fhear cogaidh, gealltar síocháin"



"D'fhir an chogaidh, gealltar síocháin"


I myself would use "duine" in the place of "fear".

Plenty of people have gone to war and have received death instead of peace, or imprisonment/torcher.

Sun Tzu, the author of "The Art of War" has many quotes, one being:

"He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot will be victorious."

(I'll leave the use of "he" down to the absence of a neutral pronoun!)

You could play around with the phrase allot:

As cogadh, tiocfaidh síocháin.

Gealltar síocháin do dhaoine an chogaidh.

Do dhaoine cogaidh, gealltar síocháin.

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Seosamh Mac Muirí (193.1.100.104 - 193.1.100.104)
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

What's it supposed to mean? "To a man of war, peace is promised"?

An rud céanna.


In aon chaoi,

"Fear Cogaidh" -> "D'Fhear Cogaidh" .i. Ní shéimhítear (nó urítear) an aidiacht. nó "Do Fhear Cogaidh", más fearr leat.

B'fhéidir gur ábhar suntais duit é, ach séimhítear. Séimhítear an t-ainmfhocal AGUS AN AIDIACHT fhirinscneach sa t. tabharthach uatha, gan an t-alt, sa chuid sin den tír a chleachtaíonn an gnás stairiúil agus aithnítear an cleachtas sin sa Chaighdeán Oifigiúil. Is maith atá a fhios agam mar gur ann a bheas mé faoi cheann roinnt seachtainí arís i mbliana. Is é sin le rá, go bhfuil muintir Thír Chonaill le nós Thaidhg Dhaill inniu féin, 413 bl. i ndiaidh a bháis.

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Fear na mBróg (159.134.102.129 - 159.134.102.129)
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 04:45 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

An é seo atá á rá agat?:


an bata beag

ar bhata bheag


Ní fhaca mé é sin riamh choíche, is "ar bhata beag" a ndeirinn i gcónaí.

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Seosamh Mac Muirí (193.1.100.104 - 193.1.100.104)
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 05:29 am:   Edit Post Print Post

ar bhata bheag.

Go díreach.

Tiocfaidh tú ar sna 'dea-leabhraibh' amach anso: ar chapall dheas chíordhubh, ar Thomás bhocht, d'fhear chneasta, de ghuth láidir gharbh srl.

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