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tom (144.141.194.4 - 144.141.194.4)
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I wanted to teach my daughter Irish and I thought I would start with some primary school materials.

A friend recommended that I buy the Inis Dom series and said it would be a good way to teach and learn with her.

I have found a great many places that sale the books and CD's but none really give a good discription of it.

Like how many pages do the books have, is it in English and Irish, are there lessons, and are the lessons easy for children? Someone also said it was set up like a school book, is this true? I don't want my daughter to get burned out by thinking it is just another class in school.

If anyone here has it or knows about it I would appreciate any advice you could give.

Tom

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tom (144.141.194.4 - 144.141.194.4)
Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Hello......anyone here?

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Dawn (66.19.56.176 - 66.19.56.176)
Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Tom, a chara,

Just a little patience. I'm sure the Gaeilgeoirí will be here soon. Sorry I can't help you myself, as I'm also a beginner!

Le meas,
Dawn

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Maidhc Ó G. (65.129.65.4 - 65.129.65.4)
Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Dawn, a chara,
Have you tried going to www.litriocht.com ? They've got a really big selection for all levels from little cardboard picture books for toddlers right up to advanced level reading and learning as well as tapes and even cd-roms.
-Maidhc.

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Dawn (66.19.56.11 - 66.19.56.11)
Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 - 11:23 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Maidhc, a chara,

Did you mean to address me?
The Litriocht site was one of several I had copied down from this site but hadn't checked into yet. It looks like one could spend a lot of time there...
Would you happen to know of any children's books with a vocabulary not too overwhelming for a beginner? I have also just been to flashlang.com (after reading about it here), which is a great way to pick up new words. That kind of audio/visual repetition is what's needed to really make them stick.
By the way, Maidhc, which dialect do you speak?

-Dawn

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Maidhc Ó G. (65.128.204.128 - 65.128.204.128)
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 09:23 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Dia dhuit, a chara,
I was able ,within minutes, to find these two examples at litriocht.
"Amhráin do Pháistí", Songs and rhymes for children. Book and tape. and also,
"An Ceamara". A boy takes his mothers camera and you get to see what he took pictures of.
They were in the "up to age 7" category. There was also a Dictionary for beginners which was a full colored dictionary in, where else? The "Beginners" catagory.
I only took a very brief search through, but there were other books on 'What do we eat?', 'going to the zoo', most seeming to have both words and simple phrases along with pictures.
Myself? I'm studying through Ó Siadhail"s "Learning Irish" course. That's in the Cois Fharraige (Galway) dialect, and I try to make adjustments into the rest of Connacht for my own usage along with this and other sites to try and understand the other areas as well. I must admit that I usually come off as mixed up standard (sintax and idioms are the real hard part) with probably an American's attempt at a Connacht accent. I, at least, hope that I'm just being hard on myself.:)
Slán go foill,
-Maidhc.

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Bocstaí (194.145.133.82 - 194.145.133.82)
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Print Post

A Chara,
Is múinteoir bunscoile mé/I'm a primary school teacher. I would recommend the Maith Thú series from Edco. The comunicative approach has been adopted for the teaching of Irish. You can view the Maith Thu material from the web site, www.edco.ie

The Inis Dom series is written in Irish as is all of the Irish language school books
Tabhair aire.
Slán
Bocstaí

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Dawn (66.19.56.132 - 66.19.56.132)
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:59 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Maidhc, a chara,
Thanks - that's great! But I hope you didn't think I was expecting you to search litriocht for me! That's what makes this site so splendid - everyone's eagerness to help.
Yes, I can hear my own accent coming through pretty strong. I find it very annoying. I don't practice pronunciation as much as I should.

Bocstaí, a chara,
Thanks for the info. I hope Tom didn't give up too soon...

Bail ó Dhia oraibh,
Dawn

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tom (144.141.194.4 - 144.141.194.4)
Posted on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

tom here...

i haven't given up, i am just wondering if buying inis dom would be a good thing for me to do.

i know it is oriented for children but even a beginners book can be difficult if there is no translations for me to help explain to my daughter.

tom

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Dawn (66.19.56.23 - 66.19.56.23)
Posted on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 10:54 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Tom, a chara,

If you haven't done so already, it might be worth checking into Bocstaí's recommendation, but I'm afraid the site given may not have the detail of information that you're looking for either.

Wish I could be of more help,
Dawn

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Maidhc Ó G. (65.128.208.24 - 65.128.208.24)
Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 10:56 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Dia dhaoibh, a chairde,
The "Maith Thú" seem to be lesson books and other teaching materials used in schools. They're tied together with themes moving in grade stages linking teachers and students through the lessons, with the teachers having one set of books and Cds to direct and correct the lessons and the students having their own work books.
There are also flash cards for vocabulary exercises, and games, poems and songs for interactive participation between teachers and students or for entire classrooms.
Inis Dom seems to be books and Cds that are used together in 6 lessons going in stages. The CD is played allowintg the student to listen and the book shows where to pause the disc to allow the student to complete the exercise.
Both courses looked impressive. The "Maith Thú" had flash cards and games, poems and songs though and , in my opinion worked on a more personal level between student and teacher.(But, that's just my opinion.)
Do check them both out. Oh, Yeah, at Litriocht, the first description is in Irish, but if you click into the 'more info', the bottom of the description is in English.
Ádh mór ort, a Thoim,
-Maidhc.

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Bocstaí (194.165.162.117 - 194.165.162.117)
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 03:36 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

A Chairde,
Féachaigí ar www.fiosfeasa.com Some interactive CD's are available from them.
Also one can recieve a cataloge of all Irish books published by An Gum by contacting them via e-mail at: gum@educ.irlgov.ie
Also the Connradh na Gaeilge bookshop in Dublin: ansiopaleabhar@eircom.net
Belfast bookshop: diane@culturlann.org

Slán tamall.
Bocstai

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Bocstaí (213.202.167.192 - 213.202.167.192)
Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Tom,
If you send me your contact details by e-mail, I might be able to get some books for you.
Bocstai
padraig.ocuinneagain2@mail.dcu.ie

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Tom (144.141.194.4 - 144.141.194.4)
Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Mo chara...

Thank you for the offer but I have come to the conclusion that I will not be getting Inis Dom.

It looks like a wonderful series, however, I have been guided towards a course that is exactly what I was looking for. "Tús Maith," le Risteard Mac Gabhann just arrived this morning actually and I have only had the chance to thumb through it, but it looks more like what I was wanting to get for her.

From what I can tell it looks like it has four CD's that will cover all the songs, poems, vocab lists, and exercises. It is in both English and Irish. It has a massive vocabulary for the beginner. And it does a nice job introducing grammar with easy to understand explainations and applications. Granted it is intended for adults, I think I can break it down to my daughter.

Does anyone know if there are more than just the one part? I says part one as if it were a series or something...does anyone know if this is true?

Tom

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Antaine (138.89.110.141 - 138.89.110.141)
Posted on Monday, September 01, 2003 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Don't forget about Buntús Cainte! It is a good way to get started in conversation with illustrations. When your daughter is more advanced and more ready for the nitty-gritty gramatical stuff you can look at more technical materials.

What I have found to be a good start, is the following collection:

Conversational Examples:
Buntús Cainte (with tapes). Criterion Press. ISBN 1-85791-065-6

Grammar:
Irish Grammar, A Basic Handbook. Noel McGonagle. Hippocrene Books. ISBN 0-7817-066704

2-way dictionary:
Foclóir Scoile (or Foclóir Póca). Datapage International. ISBN 1-85791-121-0 (Foclóir Póca is ISBN 1-85791-047-8

Verb Conjugation Examples:
Briathra Na Gaeilge, Regular and Irregular. Folens. ISBN 0-86121-649-0

Start with Buntús till you get the hang of it. When you're ready to start making up sentences of your own, use the dictionary for vocabulary, the grammar handbook for syntax, and the verb book to learn conjugations from easy to read tables. I've had and seen quite a bit of success with that combination. Something else, if you can get it (I believe it's now out of print) is
First Steps in Irish, by the Christian Brothers. It has no ISBN.

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Jonas (213.243.177.78 - 213.243.177.78)
Posted on Monday, September 01, 2003 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Definitely Fios Feasa!! Their material is extremely easy to use, very well suiter for children and done in excellent Irish. Besides, all their cd's contains one Munster version, one Connacht version and one Ulster version. Thus the children get used to the different dialects and adults can compare the differences in grammar. The Fios-Feasa cd-roms cover a wide range of age-group, some of their products are directed to very young children, some to somewhat older children and some are for adult learners.

I've tested all their products and I can guarantee that they are ideal for learning Irish and for teaching children.

Slán,
Jonas

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