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NewMommy (67.80.59.215 - 67.80.59.215)
Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 05:32 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I've seen the name "Cináed" or "Cinnéide" attributed to Irish and Scottish kings. Is it considered more of a Scottish name than an Irish name or vice versa?

Also, I have heard several pronunciations of it, including "KIN-awd," "KIN-aid," "KIN-ee," "KIN-ay," "KIN-eye" and "kih-NEH-juh." Is one of these pronunciations more common than the others? Are any thought to be incorrect?

Any help you can provide would be much appreciated.

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James (199.112.55.62 - 199.112.55.62)
Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

The first I would pronounce as Kin-awd. The second as Kin-AY-djuh. It is, I'm almost certain, anglicized as "Kennedy."

You may get some better feedback from the native speakers and there may be some dialectal differences even amongst them. I'll be interested to see what renderings the gaeilgoiri put on this.

Le meas,

James

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PAD (12.89.149.200 - 12.89.149.200)
Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 09:06 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

The people I know who use the first spelling pronounce it as KIN-aid and the English form when used as a first name is Kenneth.

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James (199.112.55.62 - 199.112.55.62)
Posted on Friday, July 04, 2003 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Print Post

It seems PAD and I are both in the ballpark. Kenneth is derived from Kennedy. The link below will give some interesting info on the name. If you look at the bottom of the linked page you will see variations on the spelling of Kennedy. Your second variation is listed there.

http://millennium.fortunecity.com/sherwood/553/name.html

Le meas,

James

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New Mommy (67.80.59.215 - 67.80.59.215)
Posted on Friday, July 04, 2003 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Thanks so much to all who responded. I appreciate the information and will follow up on the data you provided. Enjoy the Fourth of July!

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Ós íseal (217.155.45.123 - 217.155.45.123)
Posted on Friday, July 04, 2003 - 09:08 pm:   Edit Post Print Post


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James (199.112.55.62 - 199.112.55.62)
Posted on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 10:27 am:   Edit Post Print Post

In response to the Anti-American, Anti-war link on the previous post, I would humbly submit the following link. It is in direct response to assertions made in the articles contained within the item submitted by Ós íseal.

If you go to the link I've provided, look in the right hand margin under the caption "In Their Own Words". Click, watch and listen. You've gotta have speakers or some way of playing sound in order to get the full effect. You will see that there is far more to what we are doing over here. We're working hard to improve the quality of life these people live. But, in order to do so some people who've had ample opportunity to do it for their own population, had to go. That's the real world, people. You read about it. We're living it!

To avoid the donnybrook that ensued the last time someone took a similar point, I would humbly request that we keep this site as a-political as possible.

To meet the requirement that all postings have some connection to Irish or Ireland I would again, humbly submit that the person speaking on the audio piece is mo fhein. The name is James Patrick McGinnis. I am a frequent, if not always accurate, contributor to this site. I have learned much here and would place my enthusiasm for an gaeilge up against anyone's. Also included in the team that executed the program highlighted was another of Irish descent--a Kilpatrick, by name. So, my posting meets that "language/culture" related criteria.

Now, when those of you who have opinions and viewpoints decidedly left of center decide to post them, I would request that you keep them posted on more relevant and more appropriate sites. You see, I get a bit touchy when you come after me, my family or my country (again, a particularly Celtic trait). In this case, you have done all three. My father was career Army. My wife (who's grandmother emmigrated from County Mayo) was a paratrooper in the 82nd Airborne Division and served in Bosnia (where we defended Muslims, I might add). Her father was career Navy. And, to top it all off, my baby brother is "over here" in this hell-hole of a sandbox, too. So, tread softly my friends because on another day and in a worse mood I would be very likely to rip away rather venomously.

Please, let's keep this site about language and culture--not politics. To do otherwise breed division and discontent. Go to the link I've provided and think long and hard. You now "know" someone who is definitely involved in this. It is no longer abstract. It is no longer "one of those Americans." It is one of your own--a Daltai member.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2003-06-26-africa-cover_x.htm

Ard Mheas,

James

P.S. Never forget that other members of this site lost sons and daughters, fathers and mothers in the tragedy of September 11. This thing is personal to many of us. Be sensitive to that.

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Ós íseal (217.155.45.123 - 217.155.45.123)
Posted on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 03:41 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Chuir mé an nasc sin 'ós íseal' mar táim ag úsáid riomhaire poiblí saor in aisce ach ní féidir liom an seoladh a scríobh isteach, caithfidh me dul go dtí an suíomh sin trí nascanna. Táim ag úsáid an suíomh seo chun nascanna de mo rogha féin a chur ar fáil. Is bithiúnach mé gan amhras ach tá sé saor in aisce.

James, bí cinnte nach aontaím le focal ar bith ar an tsuíomh bréan bréagach Marcsach sin www.indymedia.ie. Téim ansiúd go minic chun mallachtaí a chur orthú go feargach mar is féidir do thuarimí féin a scríobh ann.

Cuirim an taobh eile den scéal faoina shúile le cúpla mallachtai maith freisin.

Hope you understood all that James. I said that I go to that site to contribute opposing views along with a good few curses on those Marxist lying SOBs.

I also gave the reason why I put the link there ós íseal.

Sorry for any distress I caused you. I believe in what you're doing and you have my 100% support.

Slán agus beannacht Dé ort.

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Eíbhlin (62.254.32.4 - 62.254.32.4)
Posted on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Beanachtaí New Mommy,

it is pronounced Kin-aid and the other is kin-aine-ja

its the name for Kennedy as Gaeilge

Eíbhlin ;o)

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James (199.112.55.62 - 199.112.55.62)
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 03:39 am:   Edit Post Print Post

I will have to spend some time on the Gaeilge. I'm not proficient enough to read it and comprehend it in its entirety. The gist of it I get, though. No need to apologize--I'm just a bit hypersensitive to this particular issue for reasons outlined above.

Your support is greatly appreciated. That is a sincere statement. You have no idea what your support means to those of us over here. It is especially meaningful to those of us who are children of the Viet Nam era veterans. We have seen how horribly insensitive some can be to the individual simply because they disagree with the politicians.

Thanks for responding. You've made my day!

Le meas,

James

P.S. I'll get out the books and translate your gaeilge so I can get a complete understanding of what you said--it's a great way for me to learn!

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Ós Íseal (217.155.45.123 - 217.155.45.123)
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Thanks James, I'm glad you're not still angry. I don't mind people having opposing views but these creeps print lies and it makes me see red (in more ways than one).

If you have any questions about my Gaeilge text let me know but i guess it would be good practice to try and decipher it yourself.

Ádh mór ort, a mhac.

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