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Mike (bg-tc-ppp934.monmouth.com - 209.191.51.120)
Posted on Monday, June 12, 2000 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Dia duit.
I am considering naming my boat"Granuaile" after Grace O'Malley. Is there a Gaelic spelling to this name?If so, might you provide a phonetic pronunciation?
Slainte,
mike

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Laigheanach (ts15-173.dublin.indigo.ie - 194.125.176.173)
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2000 - 06:10 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Gráinne mhaol
(GRAWN-YA WAIL)

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Máire Ní Ógáin (wwwgate2.motorola.com - 129.188.33.222)
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2000 - 04:35 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Wasn't that a nickname?

Her name was Gráinne Ní Mháille, which is usually anglicised as Grace O'Malley or Granuaile. It would be pronounced GRAWN-ya nee WALL-ya.

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Dennis King (proxy1-external.sttln1.wa.home.com - 24.4.254.154)
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2000 - 02:09 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

"Gráinne Mhaol" is the Irish spelling of her nickname - or perhaps, nom de guerre?! Deirtear gur thugtaí "maol" uirthi toisc go raibh a cuid gruaige an-ghearr - "cropped hair".

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Seosamh
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2000 - 04:48 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Hmmm. Her trip to London to meet Elizabeth I is sounding more like a date than a political encounter.

_The Irish Language_ by Máirtín Ó Murchú, by the way, has a picture of a page from the Irish phrasebook prepared for Elizabeth I by Christopher Nugent in the late 1500s. (Ó Murchú's book is a wonderful concise, illustrated description of the language and its history, but is long out of print.)

If I remember correctly Nugent's phrasebook was in preparation for Elizabeth's encounter with Gráinne Mhaol. (A less certain memory is that Elizabeth was an accomplished linguist -- I don't imagine Gráinne was big on learning languages.) The phrasebook refers to the language as "Iryshe", a nice little object lesson to people who think that the Irish started to call their language "Irish" as a result of modern nationalist excess.

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Dennis King (proxy1-external.sttln1.wa.home.com - 24.4.254.154)
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2000 - 07:47 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Chuala mé (is é sin le rá, dúirt duine éigin áit éigin ar an idirlíon) gur labhair siad Laidin lena chéile. Caithfidh go raibh léann ar Ghráinne, mar bharr ar an iomlán.

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Seosamh (1cust224.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net - 63.23.134.224)
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2000 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Maith an bhean í mar Ghráinne, mar sin. Áthas orm nach an seansteireatíp a bhí i gceist -- Sacsanach cumasach oilte vs. Éireannach fiáin barbartha neamhoilte.

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Seosamh Mac Muirí (lillisolaoire.staff2.ul.ie - 136.201.142.4)
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2000 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Mhaol nó Umhall? Bhí an tuairim ag duine nó beirt gurbh é an t-ainm treibhe, (tuis. ginide iolra ó cheart) ba bhun leis an ainm. Bhéarfadh sé sin 'Gráinne Umhall' (nó 'Gráinne hUmhall'?) mar leagan. Tagraíonn Anne Chambers -1979 - don tuairim sin 'Umhall' ach gur 'Umhaill' atá aici, agus don 'Mhaol'. (lch. 55) (An Dá Umhall a bheith i gceist go luath sa saol a thug luaineacht na huimhreach, measaim.)
Is dóigh go bhféadfaí a aicmiú leis an athrú 'fuar' > faor, agus 'buachaill' > baochaill, 'bruach' > braoch, (más í an fhuaim -ao- a cuireadh léi sa deireadh).

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